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captgary

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Well after fishing all summer and fall I finally got around to finishing the Dickert rifle I started last winter. This is my first flintlock and when we tested how she would spark I found she didnt!!!!! :cursing: So we ordered the Kasenit and hardened the frizzen and now we get a real shower of sparks. :) My question is..are there any other parts on the lock that need to be hardened? It is a large Siller lock, came with the kit from Pecatonia.

Thanks
Gary
 
Whenever a lock is not working you should request another. As soon as you work on it, all warrantees are off. Sear and tumbler and fly do need to be hardened but also tempered or they may fracture. I'd heat in the oven at 450 for an hour soak after hardening. It's also good to harden any lockscrew that serves as an axle. Sear pivot screw, frizzen pivot screw.
 
does this apply to all locks? I just got a Golden Age Chambers lock, so are there parts that have to be hardened?
 
IMO, if the lock was made by a compentent builder, the parts that need to be hardened will already be hardened.

captgary: I'm sure Dick Greensides would be very interested about your lock's frizzen needing hardening.
He is the type of person who does not want to sell defective hardware and I'm sure he would like to know about these things so he can ream out whoever built the lock.

If your lock was made from Siler parts, it should not have needed to be case hardened with Kasenit. The sear, tumbler and frizzen are made out of oil hardening tool steel and will harden clear thru with just the thermal cycle.

zonie :)
 
Doesn't case hardening simply harden the surface of the metal? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't case hardening place carbon on the surface of the metal so it's hard? Also then would case harding really not increase the toughness of the internals since it doesn't affect the majority of the steel?

I know on original 1861 Springfields, nothing was case hardened. The lock plate was iron, and the internals steel. I am under the impression that the strength and toughness of steel is dependent on when it was formed and how it was quenched.

Also I just got back from my Material Science Final Exam so my mind is full of steel phase diagrams.
 
Absolutely Not..... If you bought a assembled lock from Jim Chambers, it is hardened where it needs to be, built, tuned & ready to go. And I will also add that is ONE GOOD LOCK that Golden Age Lock !! That are really hot sparking & reliable :thumbsup:
 
Case hardening is used to toughen bearing points of parts that turn, or lever gainst another. The entire part does not have to be hardened, so it can be made of a softer, less costly steel alloy. By case hardening the surface, you get great wear out of the part, and it lasts a good long working life. The lock plate, tumber, hammer, or cock, and sometime the decorative pieces such as the trigger guard, the buttplate, and the ferrels to hold the ramrod under the barrel can be case hardened. The decorative pieces are done simply because of the colors they give to the steel, and the wear resistance of the finish, so you don't have to contantly monitor them for rusting. In fact, with case harded parts its not adviseable to put oil on them during storage at all, as this actually causes a chemical reaction over time that wears down the case hardening, from what I have been told.
 
Don't forget the fly it too has to be hardened.
If the lock came complete from Petonica it should have come with everything properly hardened but if the lock itself came as a kit then you would have to harden the frizzen, sear, tumbler, and fly.

Regards, Dave
 
Lock came as a complete unit, only part that was hardened was the tumbler and that was a replacement part, the original had a big chunk of metal missing. Any way when I order another kit at least I will know what to look for. It was a good learning experiance and fun smoking up the shed while hardening the parts. Lock now works well and at least I can say I did it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Check out video of "first shot" in photo section.
again thanks to all for the input. :hatsoff:

Gary
 
Your right to a point, when dealing with low carbon steels the casehardening process adds carbon to a certain depth of the materials surface, the depth of the case is partially dependent on the length of time the part is exposed to the carbon rich environment. Carbon is the essential ingredient in allowing a steel to be hardened. A case hardened low carbon steel component will thus have a very hard exterior surrounding a comparitively softer interior, a desirable trait for many lock components. Traditional tool steels, such as 01 do not require this process, they are already high in carbon and the entire part, not just the surface, will harden with an appropriate heat cycle and a quench. At this state the entire piece is glass hard and just as brittle, it would require tempering (heating to a lower temperture to draw back the hardness and reduce brittleness) In the case of the frizzen above, I would suspect, that since it was made of a high carbon tool steel, it is probably too hard and could shatter without proper tempering. If it was made of mild steel and casehardened it would function fine without having to undergo a tempering operation, though even than it would be desirable to draw the foot back a bit to reduce the chance of breakage, thinner sections can sometimes be completely penetrated by the carbon making them into tool steel, early blister steel was created in a similar process. The case hardened low carbon components can be left much harder than their tool steel equivelents, because they are surrounding a softer steel core that can take increased shock without as much chance of fractures. As for the Springield locks I have no idea, I am positive that the components would have undergone a heat treatment process, though the lock plate would not necessarily have been part of that treatment. If they were tool steel than they would not have been casehardened, but if not they would have been. Without some form of treatement, even the best materials available during the period would have failed miserably within a relatively short period of time. The armorer responsible would probably have been in some deep doo doo. But don't take my word for it, go experiement for yourself, you will probably learn a few things that your materials class didn't adequately explain.
 
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