WHY SHOOT REPRO GUNS

[FishDFly]

"keeper shoots managed that brings the foreign guns to shoot Americans included"

I would imagine that American's coming to your shoots are modern gun shooters, not Traditional shooters.

 

[kje54]

Urbanization doesn’t seem to hurt wild life. Game animal seem to take advantage of the lake of hunting in urban areas.
near me is the tourist town of Eureka Springs Arkansas, the area is overrun with deer. Just a few miles away from me is Wilson creek battlefield it’s simi rural around it, but I can’t walk out there with out seeing deer and Turkey. Squirrels love all our parks.
Deer populations have increased greatly just over the last twenty years. There were more Whitetail killed in Missouri this fall then were alive in the country in 1920. In a time our population has more then doubled.... almost tripled.

Not all animals but some are negatively affected.

 

[kje54]

Well the Uk looks very small compared on your map but for its size it produces more game than most although we do not have buffalo . Elk it is the red grouse , pheasant , partridge with keeper shoots managed that brings the foreign guns to shoot Americans included
Feltwad

Maybe that's so, maybe it isn't but this discussion, or at least my part was addressing your present tense referral to our supposed hunting game animals in this country to extinction with the correct past tense application, i.e., a century ago.

 

[Greg Blackburn]

Passenger pidgins?
Ducks, geese, Turkey and white tailed deer were heavily impacted by over hunting. Eastren elk were pretty much wiped out, eastern wolf populations too

Ever hit a deer with your car? Try hitting an elk with anything less than a Panzer III. LOL

Not too many people are unhappy the wolves are gone from most of the US....

So many white-tailed deer in my state that we lead the nation in deer hits and one garage told me "70% of all body work they do is deer hits." Plenty of ducks, geese, turkey in my state.

I have seen black bear in my own yard, which is hardly "in the boonies." I have seen bald eagles in a tree alongside the interstate.

Urbanization absolutely hurts wildlife....ever try to dig a burrow in asphalt?

 

[TFoley]

"keeper shoots managed that brings the foreign guns to shoot Americans included" I would imagine that American's coming to your shoots are modern gun shooters, not Traditional shooters.

You would be surprised. A LOT of foreigners, including a very big proportion of Americans, come here for the 'tweed and necktie' style of old-fashioned estate shooting that is STILL a huge part of the sport in UK. Same for game taken 'on the hill' by unmentionables. The reason why muzzleloaders are not used is due to the UK's insistence on a certain MV and ME - in Scotland, BOTH figures have to be met or exceeded to comply with the game laws.

It's amazing to think that most years the UK benefits to the tune of around £2.5 Billion from shooting and associated sports in all its forms - not to be snozen at, that.

 

[Rudyard]

The ME FPS nonesence is just dreamed up BS. Probably by the snotty UK ' Dear stalkers' who go for the tweedy & Gilly led fine dineing snobbery and seem fixated by 243 & 270 unmentionables . .Very much an own goal that suits the Left ist Governments wonderfully well . Every reader of these posts knows that muzzle loaders & archers can & do harvest large game as did no doubt Robin Hood & Henry the fifth . NZ allows any rifle other than low power rimfires and debars smoothbores. simply to lessen any temptation to shoot the Native Pigeons on Crown /State lands . Bows inc cross bows need to be up to a certain power & muzzle loaders are fine and are all I use .And because Deer are are introduced & deemed 'Noxious" animals there are no closed seasons or limits along with wild pigs, goats, Thar , Chamius. ,& Wapati (Elk) The introduced Moose didn't take !. The Government still employ cullers but they" don't' Cull' they barrel any donk that moves ( I was one in 1968 we called them' Donks') There is am amusing book written by one Barry Crump ' A good keen man' it certainly inspired me to get the job .
Rudyard

 

[FishDFly]

"You would be surprised. A LOT of foreigners, including a very big proportion of Americans, come here for the 'tweed and necktie' style of old-fashioned estate shooting that is STILL a huge part of the sport in UK."

I get a U.S. magazine and it has pictures of which you mention.

I would find it interesting to come and see such a shoot. You folks do know how to dress for a hunt/shoot. You do it in fine fashion.

 

[ugly old guy]

Why shoot reproduction ("Repro") guns?
I can't afford an original, for one.

 

[Col. Batguano]

Some originals are indeed cheaper than more modern custom guns. That is particularly so with SxS doubles. Just don't go too nuts with heavy loads. The time involved with regulating a pair of rifle barrels would be staggering.

For the more common military models, yes, a repro is PROBABLY going to outperform an original as well as probably made of better materials and be safer to use. It certainly is going to be cheaper (and more replaceable even if money isn't a concern).

 

[TFoley]

SCOTLAND

For roe deer, where the bullet must weigh at least 50 grains AND have a minimum muzzle velocity of 2,450 feet per second and a minimum muzzle energy of 1,000 foot pounds may be used.

For all deer of any species - the bullet must weigh at least 100 grains AND have a minimum muzzle velocity of 2,450 feet per second and a minimum muzzle energy of 1,750 foot pounds. It must be stressed that all these figures are the minimum legal requirement.

 

[TFoley]

"You would be surprised. A LOT of foreigners, including a very big proportion of Americans, come here for the 'tweed and necktie' style of old-fashioned estate shooting that is STILL a huge part of the sport in UK."

I get a U.S. magazine and it has pictures of which you mention.

I would find it interesting to come and see such a shoot. You folks do know how to dress for a hunt/shoot. You do it in fine fashion.

Hey, don't look at me! I neither shoot game in the air nor on the ground. I don't even own a necktie!

 

[Griz44Mag]

SCOTLAND

For roe deer, where the bullet must weigh at least 50 grains AND have a minimum muzzle velocity of 2,450 feet per second and a minimum muzzle energy of 1,000 foot pounds may be used.

For all deer of any species - the bullet must weigh at least 100 grains AND have a minimum muzzle velocity of 2,450 feet per second and a minimum muzzle energy of 1,750 foot pounds. It must be stressed that all these figures are the minimum legal requirement.

Interesting. Those specs would pretty much eliminate 99.9% of all muzzleloaders from being used to hunt deer.

 

[TFoley]

Interesting. Those specs would pretty much eliminate 99.9% of all muzzleloaders from being used to hunt deer.

My point, Sir, 'zackly.

Wales and England are lightly less limiting, but not by much - but again, most MLs are out of the equation. The only person I know of here in England who shoots any kind of game with a muzzle-loader is Mr Britsmoothy, who, as his name suggests, uses a smoothbore for skwirls, rabbits and other little pests. If he has ever shotten anything bigger than that, he has yet to admit it, as you say, that would be illegal, as is the taking of ANY live game with a bow or crossbow.

 

[Heyyou48307]

There wahs a antique shop somewhere near Ticonderoga I visited about 25 years ago that had at least 20 or 30 besses in a wall rack and not too much more than an italian repop today, I have a picture somewhere too bad I dont remember the location

 

[wb78963]

Like most of us here in the USA, I shoot reproductions because most of us run our guns HARD and originals are too valuable or fragile to take a chance on breaking a part that is either unobtainable or very expensive to have a competent gunsmith make.
If a piece of one of my Pietta revolvers breaks I write VTI for a spare. (Been there, done that)
If something breaks on my Lester Smith percussion rifle or my original Sharps carbine I am up the creek with out a paddle since Lester and Christian went over the rainbow bridge many years ago.
So I shoot my Pietta, Uberti, Pedersoli guns and don't feel ashamed at all.
Respectfully
Bunk

 

[wb78963]

Well, you know, I've been a member of my UK gun club for almost 25 years new, and apart from my original long rifle, I know of just FOUR original genuine mid to late 1800's American long arms, and TWO genuine pistols. Our club has a membership approaching 500 now, BTW, and we shoot everything we are allowed to. I have NEVER seen any kind of genuine long rifle apart from my own - at all. Ever. And I've been a shooter here in UK, on and off, since the late 60's. My own long rifle attracted so much interest when I displayed it that one of the obviously enthused stole it right there and then.

Where our new friend from Nottingham is seeing all the millions of genuine antiques is not quite clear, but for sure it isn't on a range near me.

I'm also VERY confused about ' You lot "Americans" have in the past fought just about every other nation on your home ground.' How does THAT work out? Who, for instance?

Probably the reason you don't drink beer and talk German is because we fought on your grounds...twice.
Bunk

 

[CTShooter]

I’m not sure now, is my Beretta 300th anniversary shotgun a repro or new design?

 

[TFoley]

Probably the reason you don't drink beer and talk German is because we fought on your grounds...twice.
Bunk

Nice post to say goodbye on.

Goodbye.

 

[SmokepoleSam]

TFoley don't let him turn you away we're not all like that. I enjoy you and your posts for all your knowledge, information and a different perspective on shooting.

 

[wb78963]

Hay TFoley, don't go away please. That was impolite of me .The military of the UK and in fact the people of UK suffered the brunt of Germany in two wars.
We in the US were lucky that our country was protected by an ocean and allowed our industrial might here to work unhindered by nightly bombings therefore we were able to keep UK supplied the things you needed in to keep you the fight. And fight you did on Gold, Sword, and Juno those were no walk in the park.
Again that was not polite of me and I apologize here publicly .
After all we are one people separated only by language.
Respectfully
Bunk