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HE didn't load anything, it was the Hungarian State Proof House that did the biz here.
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HE didn't load anything, it was the Hungarian State Proof House that did the biz here.
Thanks commodore.
Thanks.
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The owner of the pistol might have originally bought it as a decoration piece, which does not require proof in any CIP signature country, and subsequently requested it get proofed so that he could shoot it. Unfortunately it failed proof. It being private property, it was returned to the owner with a failure certification. It is not the property of the Proof House.
The thing that concerns me about this is that ALL firearms are VERY closely inspected BEFORE proofing is carried out - this is the 'primary view. THEN it is proofed, and having passed proof, gets the appropriate stamp, but only after another close inspection has been carried out to ensure that there is no residual damage resulting from the proof test. Of course, if there is any damage, then it will have failed proof.
Dr Németh is not a panic-monger, nor is he underly-generous with the truth, as you seem to imply in your post. He is a highly-regarded senior lecturer on military history in an important university in Budapest and a leading light on BP shooting of all kinds in his native country and internationally.
More circular arguments.
Small correction, that DOM barrel is not 'spring' steel, which is hardened. (DOM = Drawn Over Mandrel, same process as most aerospace/hydraulic tubing here & world-wide is made)
After reading through 5-pages ... I think this speaks to the source of the issue, i.e., just look at all the other examples of counterfeit steel products out there ...
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I saw 9mm ammo imported from India, the price was good but I passed for only slightly higher priced Winchester
When getting your face and hands near high pressure it's no place to go cheap. JMHO.
Yep that looks similar to pics I've seen showing the aftermath of shooting modern powder in a muzzleloader.
Good plan, 9mm is notoriously spikey in reloads.I saw 9mm ammo imported from India, the price was good but I passed for only slightly higher priced Winchester
It's a joint venture with Jindal Defense. These are modern weapons in modern factories, and Taurus itself has completely modernized its production in recent years. Unfortunately, old reputations are hard to overcome.
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You asked a barrel maker his opinion ? This is like asking a Harley Davidson executive, which is a better product, an HD, or an Indian motorcycle.
Exactly
HERE is a follow up he did on the barrel, interview with the CIP proofhouse: https://capandball.com/how-the-indi...gY1bFrQv6dMxKUc3k8_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw
if you're too lazy to read the whole interview, the CIP said of this particular barrel:
This was a .62 caliber smooth bore flintlock pistol made by R.A. in India, probably Daipur. There is no available information on who is “R.A”, whether it is a company, an individual. The standard caliber and bore-specific proofing charge was used set by the technical annex of the C.I.P. regulations for proofing black powder arms: 10 g (154 grain) of 4Fg Swiss No. 1. black powder and 55 g (849 grain) of lead shot. Powder was topped with 20 mm felt wad, shot was held in place with 10 mm felt wad. This proof charge would have allowed a maximum service charge of 5 g (77 grain) black powder and 25 g (385 grain) projectile. The pistol barrel burst upon the first proofing shot, therefore it was rejected of course.
if you're too lazy to read the whole interview, the CIP said of this particular barrel:
This was a .62 caliber smooth bore flintlock pistol made by R.A. in India, probably Daipur. There is no available information on who is “R.A”, whether it is a company, an individual. The standard caliber and bore-specific proofing charge was used set by the technical annex of the C.I.P. regulations for proofing black powder arms: 10 g (154 grain) of 4Fg Swiss No. 1. black powder and 55 g (849 grain) of lead shot. Powder was topped with 20 mm felt wad, shot was held in place with 10 mm felt wad. This proof charge would have allowed a maximum service charge of 5 g (77 grain) black powder and 25 g (385 grain) projectile. The pistol barrel burst upon the first proofing shot, therefore it was rejected of course.
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Rigged ? The article suggestions the procedure was done very professionally.
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He asked someone well experienced in the craft of barrel making, who else would he ask, a forum member ?
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So there is a difference in how a barrel explodes between smokeless powder and black powder ? Do you blow up barrels often ? If a barrel fails, it’s going to explode, and the gas will go where it is most able to go.
Thank you for that link. It certainly does satisfy conclusively all the questions that arose for me, and I think to those questions posted here regarding this test as well.
****I would highly recommend others read the article. It is factual and professional ****
I appreciate the closing remarks by Balázs Németh; in general, “You get what you pay for”!
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With all the experts here? Silly you
No idea. Simple statement that that is what the pics look like when using modern powder. Never claimed to be an expert. That's just what I saw. Sorry, not the world's foremost barrel expert. I'm just a forum member...
The info has now been posted: https://capandball.com/how-the-indian-made-flintlock-pistol-blew-up-upon-c-i-p-proofing/
The load used in this pistol was 10 g (154 grain) of 4Fg Swiss No. 1. black powder and 55 g (849 grain) of lead shot. Powder was topped with 20 mm felt wad, shot was held in place with 10 mm felt wad.
The load used in this pistol was 10 g (154 grain) of 4Fg Swiss No. 1. black powder and 55 g (849 grain) of lead shot. Powder was topped with 20 mm felt wad, shot was held in place with 10 mm felt wad.
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