no,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Is the Patina'd look just black paint?
no,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Is the Patina'd look just black paint?
i have thought about what i actually did, and what you said. let's see, i sanded, i scrapped, i drilled, i whisked, i stained, i burnished, i filed, i aged, i fitted, i cut, i ground, i coated, i sweated over, i assembled, i tested, i ran into problems, dissembled, fixed problems, i reassembled. you are right! i did everything but build it, no challenge involved at all, nothing to it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Don't you mean you'll be assembling this gun? Looks to me like it's already built.
That's why I will never buy one of these. As nice as they are, there's simply no challenge involved.
To each his own. I’ve not built from a plank but have built some kits OTK. I’ve built some furniture and some luthier work. I really enjoyed the 4 Kiblers I’ve “assembled” myself and others. I think they are a marvel and get better with each iteration. The joy one receives from telling others at deer camp that you built this rifle is pretty cool.Don't you mean you'll be assembling this gun? Looks to me like it's already built.
That's why I will never buy one of these. As nice as they are, there's simply no challenge involved.
Hello Dave Boone, the stock on my new Kibler Fowler is a very nice grade of figured walnut. I asked for one if they ran across a good looker.Does the base model come with the carving, or is that an add on? I have to say I really wasnt initially interested in the fowler, but am now....increasingly curious.
One more carving at the ramrod entry pipe. The Fowler can be customized to suit your taste for sure. A very nice kit.Hello Dave Boone, the stock on my new Kibler Fowler is a very nice grade of figured walnut. I asked for one if they ran across a good looker.
Since the stock was so nice, I decided to put some extra work in the build.
The cnc carving is nice but to me it was just a framework for something special. I decided to do some barrel and ramrod channel and mouldings too. It’s getting done, slow and steady.
I see the problem. You know that little thing that keeps what ever is running through your mind from coming right out of your mouth? A lot of people here don't have that.i have thought about what i actually did, and what you said. let's see, i sanded, i scrapped, i drilled, i whisked, i stained, i burnished, i filed, i aged, i fitted, i cut, i ground, i coated, i sweated over, i assembled, i tested, i ran into problems, dissembled, fixed problems, i reassembled. you are right! i did everything but build it, no challenge involved at all, nothing to it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The Kibler Fowler comes with a cnc craving at the end of the tang and the inlet and wrist plate escutcheon. I did the mouldings, side plate and lock panel details as well as the ramrod entry thimble. The tang carving I modified by re carving and shaping it to look more like a 18th century style hand carving.Does the base model come with the carving, or is that an add on? I have to say I really wasnt initially interested in the fowler, but am now....increasingly curious.
Though unique, I don't agree that the carving changes make it "look more like 18th century hand carving" As supplied, the carving is more representative of original work appropriate for such a fowling piece. I can share original examples and further thoughts if you or anyone cares.The Kibler Fowler comes with a cnc craving at the end of the tang and the inlet and wrist plate escutcheon. I did the mouldings, side plate and lock panel details as well as the ramrod entry thimble. The tang carving I modified by re carving and shaping it to look more like a 18th century style hand carving.
Hello Jim, yes I would like to see some other examples of tang carvings. We all would.Though unique, I don't agree that the carving changes make it "look more like 18th century hand carving" As supplied, the carving is more representative of original work appropriate for such a fowling piece. I can share original examples and further thoughts if you or anyone cares.
hello Sportster, we agreed on Jim Kibler, and his team. They are true innovators. I typically do not post rebuttals on this forum, however, in my previously posted photos and comments you will see a less than perfect carvings on my new Kibler Fowler. Not perfect but authentic is my goal here. Jim’s response was great, “unique” I’ll take the compliment from one who knows. Please read my response to Jim.I have been following Jim’s work since buying my Colonial back in 2019. I googled him to see where he got his information. ( Jim, hope you don’t mind). He has been doing recreations for a long time and does research before making his guns. The man knows the business. Making alterations to the design will change his vision of what era or style he was working toward.
I understand wanting to make it your own but don’t say he did it wrong. I also adjusted a woodsrunner carving from incise to a raised design because thats what i wanted.
Hello Jim, yes I would like to see some other examples of tang carvings. We all would.Though unique, I don't agree that the carving changes make it "look more like 18th century hand carving" As supplied, the carving is more representative of original work appropriate for such a fowling piece. I can share original examples and further thoughts if you or anyone cares.
Sorry all for inadvertently posting this reply twice.Hello Jim, yes I would like to see some other examples of tang carvings. We all would.
My intention was to individualize the the stock useing your carving as the base. BTW I still have to clean up all the tang carving.
The inference that your design was less than authentic was never my intention.
I have been a muzzleloader builder and tinkerer since 1975. I most say Jim, you and your team have raised the bar for all the folks like me who have waited for a reasonably priced and historically correct product.
you are wasting your time even replying to these grumpy critics on here.they have nothing better to do and cant do what you do.they act like a bunch of jealous women.of course, i am no real from scratch "builder" never claimed to be! i call myself a transmission builder, but i certainly don't take a raw piece of steel and aluminum and "build" them from that! but yet i am a builder just the same! now that i have that straight i have been out in my shop all morning sanding and fitting the butt plate and trigger guard, this stuff is not all done by no means. to do it right it will take me about 3 weeks to complete. oh, and this is my 14th Kibler! not my 3rd. so, i have learned some lessons. i am showing the photos because i was asked to, not to argue about if the people that put these together are real builders or not, good Lord brother enjoy the photos as i do it, chill out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you are the type of person that ruins good forums. no one cares what you think. get a life and stop blowing your own horn post up some of your masterpieces rembrant and let me pick ur butcher jobs apartSince they posted here, they are subject to public scrutiny. It's not bitching, its my observation which I have a right to.
And a dang beautiful job of it too. Well done, very artistic, and just the right amount to compliment a fine flintlock.The Kibler Fowler comes with a cnc craving at the end of the tang and the inlet and wrist plate escutcheon. I did the mouldings, side plate and lock panel details as well as the ramrod entry thimble. The tang carving I modified by re carving and shaping it to look more like a 18th century style hand carving.
Thanks Jim for fixing my lock and in a very quick time!Though unique, I don't agree that the carving changes make it "look more like 18th century hand carving" As supplied, the carving is more representative of original work appropriate for such a fowling piece. I can share original examples and further thoughts if you or anyone cares.
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