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fredrader: Oh yea, forgot a magnet. The magnet keeps you from guessing about temperatures. Steel goes non-magnetic at its critical point in heating. There is also recommends an oil tempering method. If you have a lead pot (I have a Lee) just wrap the spring in foil and dunk it in the melted...

fredrader: You could always make a spring. Brownells carries the steel, TOW has a nice phamplet on the subject. You will need a jewelers saw, a MAPP gas rig (high powered propane), and some files- but it really is not all that hard. Only took one practice spring. Got my second one right -...

Ozark: Be not afraid, my gun fires a 45 cal, 535 grain grease groove bullet :shocked2: - which is common for these types of guns. While a soule sight is not technically PC for these guns, I used one anyway (the windage adjustment on a soule is on the back sight, the period rifles had the wind...

Ozark: David is being modest. Check out his other hangout for more long range muzzleloading info: http://www.lrml.org/ The whole precision shooting at extended ranges is a hoot. I looked at period scopes, but good ones get real expensive. Period tang and front globe sithts are not cheap...

Paul: I believe (someone correct me if I am wrong) but the long range muzzleloading shooting is done prone, two point sling only > out to 600. 600 plus you are allowed a "wrist rest". Which is usually a bench rest support that you put your forward wrist onto. The last time I saw cross...

Paul: Actually coming along pretty good. I use a 535 grain grease groove bullet, hard lead. The mold is from Pedersoli which throws a bullet just over .450 to .451. A beeswax and oil mix lube and a custom sizer from Lee (that took months to get I might add). My Green Mountain barrel pin...

Paul: I shoot a .451, custom - still in load developement - thanks for this post! Nice shooting! Mike F

CGG: I have a 60 cal. Goodien barrel and it will take a .600 ball with a .010 patch. Goodien barrels seem to be designed to take the maximum ball with a thin patch. You can get a custom mold from a mold maker in England for very little exta cash. The Lee pot will cost you more. Jeff Tanner...

SR James: One advantage of the patent breach, in a target gun in particuliar, is that it is required if you want to get into the higher pressures of a 45 cal target rifle using "upset" bullets rather than a patch and ball. The pressures generated by an "upset" hard lead bullet in a shallow...

K 75: Pedersoli sells a bullet mold for a 535 grain 45 cal grease groove monster that measures .450+. Looks just like the one pictured in Idaho Ron's photo. The bullet is designed for the Pedersoli Gibbs and they have a sizer to take in down to .448. The bore on the Gibbs is actually .449 and...

Pletch: I use a "V" tool over a penciled in straight line and deepen it with a "knife edge" file. The knife edge file "averages out" any wiggle from the "V" tool and give you a nice straight cut that can be opened up any way you like with the file, just work slow. Kinda like a "straighting...

Side Lock: I also have the Pectonica River Rigby kit (.451 with a 1-18 twist). Yes, back in the late 1800s Mr. Metford published a lot of data on long, hardened lead, loose fitting grease or paper patched 45 cal bullets fired from fast twist barrels using fine grade slow burning powder (as...

Joe: I looked at the leatherwood scope, and I got a bit scared off by the reports of what recoil was doing to their scope mounts, even the re-enforced one. The scope is fine, but the standard mount would rip out the dovetails, front and back in fairly short order on a heavy recoil (58 cal +)...

Joe: The rifling is a modern setup, shallow with a 1:18 twist(very much like the later Rigby rifling). The barrel, as I understand it, was done by Green Mountain as a cartridge rifle barrel, sold to Pectonica as an unbreeched barrel. Pectonica put an English breech on it and called it quits...

Joe: Yea, thats the game. The bullet I have goes at 535 grain, grease groved. The paper patch some use goes at 540 grain. The standard load for these guns for 1000 yard shooting is 100 grains of 1.5 Swiss. The twist is right at 1:18, but most of these barrels were round way back when. The...

Well, now for something different: English Match Rifle 11.5 pounds, with sights and sling. Petonica River "Rigby" parts set, Walnut half stock, no stain, permylin finish, no ram rod, poured pewter nose cap. Boiled blue (Mark Lee Express Blue)on the barrel, butt plate, pistol grip cap, trigger...

cptleo: I have a 60 cal hawken and use a .590 ball with a .020 patch. Loads relativly easily with good accuracy. In any case the mold came from Jeff Tanner. Very easy guy to do business with and the molds are inexpensive. Mike F

Try the Rifle Shoppe. Expensive kit, but it looks interesting (next project?). http://www.therifleshoppe.com/complete_parts_sets.htm Mike F

paulab: Funny you should ask. I got bit by that bug and have been building the "Rigby" kit from Petonica since Christmas. About up to finish sanding the stock and the metal, then rust blue, then shoot. The kit is really a funny cross between a Henery (octogon barrel) a Rigby / Metford-Gibbs...

Ok, Got the point. The lube is for a new long range muzzle loading target rifle. New to long range shooting and grease groove bullets. Have mostly used patch lubes - and would not use petrolium as a patch lube. Sooo.... after many comments from the wife concerning the all too familiar...