1851@100.

[Stantheman86]

Have you ever had an AD? I must run with a dangerous and honest crowd as I can't remember any of them I've asked not having had at least one including me ! The saving grace was in the habit of keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction hence no injury only soiled shorts !

I guess you've never been in the military

I've seen more ND's in the Army than I can count including an M2 .50

Or I guess you've never shot at a sketchy Public Range

I had an AD, I guess you'd call it when an old beat up Mauser I was shooting fired as soon as I closed the bolt, putting an 8mm into the dirt 5 feet in front of my bench. The range was hot so it was fine. That was one time the gun was actually broken

I had an SKS go full auto, I guess that counts

I've never fired a gun inside a house or anywhere else in a straight up Negligent Discharge

 

[Stantheman86]

A buddy of mine from high school became a cop and once while I was home on leave ND’d a Detonics 45 into his desk drawer. The bullet bounced around the bay and came to rest on the floor spinning… no idea how close either of us came to getting punched but according to him the gun was defective. Of course… I didn’t hang with him much after that. He also popped a couple into a clearing barrel after “unloading“ an M19 Smith… (clearing
barrels… ‘ other sore subject) I submit that Chaplains should trust their God a bit more, I don’t think I’ve met one I’d trust around firearms.

I've seen plenty of the BANG! (looks around like "did anyone notice"........continues to shoot normally) ND's at various ranges.....when the range is hot but you can tell someone just capped one off accidently after loading up or something but the round went downrange or in the air, and they play it off like nothing happened

One that I'll never forget was when I was a nuke plant guard, years ago about 2005, we were at the range qualifying , it was with the AR15's and the range was cold, no one was shooting and people were walking downrange...and the shift commander who had some kind of dementia or something just takes a knee and BANG caps off a .223 into his target, stands back up and keeps walking...........the instructors are like "who the ____ just fired??" then they saw it was him and it kind of just got glossed over. He retired soon after that and a few other incidents. Like ok, it's time to keep this guy away from guns......

To throw some "muzzleloading relevant" content in , the book "Myths and Realities of the Rifle-Musket" covers written accounts of soldiers NDing and how little people tended to care back then because gun safety wasn't as stringent back then. All like "Ole Homer was old and more than a little simple, and he's be a'trippin and BAM fire off his musket on the move during a battle, we would tease him like "Homer just don't load yer gun no more " and one time he dam near shot CPL Stokes, slow old Homer"

I'm like whoa yeah duriing my time in the Army there wouldn't be like "silly old Homer" if someone was capping rounds off out of an M16 falling down all the time

 

[M. De Land]

I guess you've never been in the military

I've seen more ND's in the Army than I can count including an M2 .50

Or I guess you've never shot at a sketchy Public Range

I had an AD, I guess you'd call it when an old beat up Mauser I was shooting fired as soon as I closed the bolt, putting an 8mm into the dirt 5 feet in front of my bench. The range was hot so it was fine. That was one time the gun was actually broken

I had an SKS go full auto, I guess that counts

I've never fired a gun inside a house or anywhere else in a straight up Negligent Discharge

Yet !

 

[45D]

Open top guns flex when they fire and the tap on top the barrel returns them to battery each time. My guess is a loose arbor or poor( Ioose/battered) wedge fit.
I wonder what the gap is!

Only those that CAN flex, flex ( or rattle) more than they should. Open-tops (not open frame) shouldn't "flex" any more than any other sa revolver. Mine don't change their numbers, I don't have to "adjust" the wedge while shooting . . . the only time the wedge is touched is for takedown when cleaning. He was tapping the wedge not the top of the barrel.
A loose setup allows for change from shot to shot. Having the SAME revolver shot to shot is much more accurate ( which should be obvious) than adjusting shot to shot.

Mike

 

[French Colonial]

I must be the exception to the rule, never had a ND or a AD, been around when a few of them happened but I was just an observer.

Hope I did not just jinx myself.....

I apparently am the only person who ever bought a Uberti 1851 navy and had it shoot excellent groups right out of the box as well, same with a Uberti 1885 I bought to shoot BPCR when I first started because I did not want to spend big bucks on a hobby I may not continue, shot my way into AAA class then spent the big bucks.

 

[Billy Boy]

I’m curious as to why he was tapping the barrel with his powder flask between shots when he was shooting off the bag.

Wedge?

 

[Stantheman86]

I must be the exception to the rule, never had a ND or a AD, been around when a few of them happened but I was just an observer.

Hope I did not just jinx myself.....

I apparently am the only person who ever bought a Uberti 1851 navy and had it shoot excellent groups right out of the box as well, same with a Uberti 1885 I bought to shoot BPCR when I first started because I did not want to spend big bucks on a hobby I may not continue, shot my way into AAA class then spent the big bucks.

All of my Italian guns shot just fine out of the box, I've never needed a "guru" to correct anything

 

[Stantheman86]

Yet !

Ammo is too expensive to waste on headboards and floors

 

[Bad Karma]

How in hell do you not see that a DA revolver is loaded? That's insane

I don’t know but I know t happens and if he’d just owned it it’d be different for me. I’d guess he loaded it , set it down, came back later, forgetting he’d loaded it, picked it up and pulled the trigger out of long habit… bad habit that one. I dunno which habit is worse.

Have you ever had an AD? I must run with a dangerous and honest crowd as I can't remember any of them I've asked not having had at least one including me ! The saving grace was in the habit of keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction hence no injury only soiled shorts !

Never. Not once in 70 years of avid (sometimes professional) shooting practice. Maybe I’m just lucky? In some cases that is probably the honest truth. I’ve always been lucky.

I guess you've never been in the military

I've seen more ND's in the Army than I can count including an M2 .50

Or I guess you've never shot at a sketchy Public Range

I had an AD, I guess you'd call it when an old beat up Mauser I was shooting fired as soon as I closed the bolt, putting an 8mm into the dirt 5 feet in front of my bench. The range was hot so it was fine. That was one time the gun was actually broken

I had an SKS go full auto, I guess that counts

I've never fired a gun inside a house or anywhere else in a straight up Negligent Discharge

This^^ It’s been many years since I’ve used a public or military range but they are dangerous places. No thank you…

Mrs. Karma had a for real AD like you described closing the bolt on a Big Green unmentionable… she didn’t want to shoot for some time after that incident because she said she didn’t trust the mechanisms in use nor her mindfulness to never ever sweep someone with the muzzle while carrying weapons. People generally are pretty damn cavalier about firearms safety.

I sense Zonie turning over in his grave about now fellas. This thread, or my part in it has jumped over the line and back too many times to count so I’m bowing out. As always , thanks for thoughtful and respectful conversation. A hallmark of this forum.

 

[M. De Land]

Only those that CAN flex, flex ( or rattle) more than they should. Open-tops (not open frame) shouldn't "flex" any more than any other sa revolver. Mine don't change their numbers, I don't have to "adjust" the wedge while shooting . . . the only time the wedge is touched is for takedown when cleaning. He was tapping the wedge not the top of the barrel.
A loose setup allows for change from shot to shot. Having the SAME revolver shot to shot is much more accurate ( which should be obvious) than adjusting shot to shot.

Mike

We don't know that his wedge was actually loose and I'm still not sure he was tilting it enough to actually hit the wedge head (all though that would be the logical target) with the bottom of his powder measure. It looked more like the contact was on the first flat left of the top one and it was an unusual ( return to battery) method he had worked out .
Again, if you will take the time to clamp any of your open frame guns into a padded vice by the barrel then push side to side and up and down on the butt corner you will find a flex that simply does not exist in a solid frame gun.
The very same is happening when firing !

 

[springfield art]

Did you hear the one about the Cockney fellow who grounded his boat into the dock? He explained that it must have been "...a short 'arbor!"

 

[springfield art]

I love Dr Nemeth but him tapping the wedge with the flask kinda made my skin crawl

I'm assuming he was trying to make sure the wedge was tight to ensure the POI remains the same

Or he was 'settling' the powder in the flask? Maybe he'll reveal the reason!?

 

[springfield art]

I must be the exception to the rule, never had a ND or a AD, been around when a few of them happened but I was just an observer.

Hope I did not just jinx myself.....

I apparently am the only person who ever bought a Uberti 1851 navy and had it shoot excellent groups right out of the box as well, same with a Uberti 1885 I bought to shoot BPCR when I first started because I did not want to spend big bucks on a hobby I may not continue, shot my way into AAA class then spent the big bucks.

Never had a ND or AD, but some shooters sure seem to have a touch of ADD! (Joking!)

 

[M. De Land]

I don’t know but I know t happens and if he’d just owned it it’d be different for me. I’d guess he loaded it , set it down, came back later, forgetting he’d loaded it, picked it up and pulled the trigger out of long habit… bad habit that one. I dunno which habit is worse.



Never. Not once in 70 years of avid (sometimes professional) shooting practice. Maybe I’m just lucky? In some cases that is probably the honest truth. I’ve always been lucky.



This^^ It’s been many years since I’ve used a public or military range but they are dangerous places. No thank you…

Mrs. Karma had a for real AD like you described closing the bolt on a Big Green unmentionable… she didn’t want to shoot for some time after that incident because she said she didn’t trust the mechanisms in use nor her mindfulness to never ever sweep someone with the muzzle while carrying weapons. People generally are pretty damn cavalier about firearms safety.

I sense Zonie turning over in his grave about now fellas. This thread, or my part in it has jumped over the line and back too many times to count so I’m bowing out. As always , thanks for thoughtful and respectful conversation. A hallmark of this forum.

That is a remarkable record and I believe you ! I believe your the very first person I have asked that has never had one in there life time. Keep up the good work !
As to sweeping some one with a muzzle one must never attend a gun show or gun shop as it happens on a regular basis in these places !
Actually I think gun safety awareness should be spoken regularly in all venues of shooting sports regardless of which type of arm it occurred with.

 

[SOLANCO]

Got my first firearm, a .22 unmentionable rifle, for Christmas at age 6.

The first thing I was taught, to be always remembered and to always govern my actions:
A gun is ALWAYS LOADED until you have seen and absolutely KNOW that it is not. Even if you cleaned it and stowed it, when you pick it up again CHECK!

 

[45D]

. . . As always , thanks for thoughtful and respectful conversation. A hallmark of this forum.

A "hallmark" ? Hardly. Only for some.

This is still up. Mine was removed next day . . . there's others . . .

I come here to offer help and explain techniques or fixes I use. Of course none are really needed ( according to some) as often mentioned.
Cracks me up!!

 

[springfield art]

I always was a bit skeptical of Dixie's descriptions in the Catalog. They'd write that certain pistols were "finished a nickel's worth better," something like that. In today's world, I need a more specific description of something. I do believe that any gun marked Dixie brand is supplied to a price point due to their volume.

 

[45D]

Again, if you will take the time to clamp any of your open frame guns into a padded vice by the barrel then push side to side and up and down on the butt corner you will find a flex that simply does not exist in a solid frame gun.
The very same is happening when firing !

I just did your test and there is absolutely no movement between the assemblies. There won't be when firing either. With the wedge driven in, it's locked up solid and stays that way.
To be "unbiased", I used a Walker that belongs to Kaido ( the bullet guy) instead of any of my personal open-tops.

Solid as a rock.
So, if you would take the time to set one up correctly, you'd understand.

Mike

 

[Bad Karma]

That is a remarkable record and I believe you ! I believe your the very first person I have asked that has never had one in there life time. Keep up the good work !
As to sweeping some one with a muzzle one must never attend a gun show or gun shop as it happens on a regular basis in these places !
Actually I think gun safety awareness should be spoken regularly in all venues of shooting sports regardless of which type of arm it occurred with.

Col. Cooper once reiterated the four rules of firearms safety in an article for G&A magazine in which he posited that a gunman might violate one or two of the rules and not experience an ND and I agree. Violation of more than two will eventually bite you American firearms owners actually have an exemplary record for safety when you consider the millions of firearms in private hands and everyday use.

I’ve said that I’m lucky, I’ve always been lucky, but I’ve also paid attention to safety; it’s very much in the front of my thinking and I don’t think I’m alone in this. Also, to the extent possible I work to weed out the knot heads in my circle of acquaintance, family and friends.

BTW I’m going to ask around and see how many of the shooters I know have had an ND or AD… I’ll report back.

 

[Uncle Miltie]

Colt revolvers are almost never used in MLAIC competitions. At the world's championship you will never see one.