1851@100.

[Britsmoothy]

 

[rusticbob]

This kid can shoot!
Great video.

 

[Hawk54]

Nice video, great shooting, and spot on with the history lesson of how reproduction cap and ball pistols came to be. William B. Edwards was the founder of the reproduction market and Val Forgett of Navy Arms was the father of the reproduction cap and ball pistols. They combined to bring these pistols into existence. That pistol he is shooting is one of the very first engraved Navy Arms 1851's and were hand engraved. The first 3,000 or so steel and brass frame 1851's didn't even have any engraving on the cylinder, proof marks, or date codes, and all had round barrels. Proof marks and date codes started around 1961. 1962 1851 pistols had serial numbers in the 5,000 range.

Imagine what it would cost today to have an 1851 hand engraved.

 

[Dave Marsh]

Great video and thanks for posting. I agree that "kid" can shoot.

 

[Jim in Wisconsin]

Did it have a short arbor?

 

[Loja man]

I just loved how much he enjoyed hitting the gong!

 

[TreeMan]

I’m curious as to why he was tapping the barrel with his powder flask between shots when he was shooting off the bag.

 

[45D]

Did it have a short arbor?

Probably (almost positive)
He shot light loads and it also had 1:19" rifling twist. Wonder why they didn't keep that ratio . . .

Mike

 

[45D]

I’m curious as to why he was tapping the barrel with his powder flask between shots when he was shooting off the bag.

I wondered the same thing.

Mike

 

[Stantheman86]

I’m curious as to why he was tapping the barrel with his powder flask between shots when he was shooting off the bag.

I love Dr Nemeth but him tapping the wedge with the flask kinda made my skin crawl

I'm assuming he was trying to make sure the wedge was tight to ensure the POI remains the same

 

[45D]

After a second look, he is in fact tapping the wedge. I watched it the first time in a bit of a hurry and missed him turning the revolver on its side.
Evidence of a more than likely loose fitting wedge even with mediocre loads +filler (especially after decades of shooting it in such condition ). That's the best evidence of a short arbor.

Mike

 

[qprhooligan]

Kinda hard to believe really.

 

[Bad Karma]

It’s a wonder he hitting anything… ;-)

 

[45D]

Kinda hard to believe really.

It’s a wonder he hitting anything… ;-)

Not really, the barrel is still pointing in the general direction . . .

But seriously, it's no different than the interference fit we all delt with growing up with and/or shooting 20, 30, 40, 50 yrs ago. They can be accurate until they aren't. Of course heavy ( max) loads will get you to "aren't " faster. I wonder how much MORE accurate his revolver would be if he didn't have to keep "nailing" it back together?

Mike

 

[Stantheman86]

It makes me feel better to see a World Class , Medal winning , expert shooter like Dr Nemeth miss the 50 and 100 yard swinger with a couple shots . I'm like ok even he misses sometimes

My shotgun blast pattern at 50 yards today with my .44 Brassers looks less bad to me now

 

[Bad Karma]

Not really, the barrel is still pointing in the general direction . . .

But seriously, it's no different than the interference fit we all delt with growing up with and/or shooting 20, 30, 40, 50 yrs ago. They can be accurate until they aren't. Of course heavy ( max) loads will get you to "aren't " faster. I wonder how much MORE accurate his revolver would be if he didn't have to keep "nailing" it back together?

Mike

I do have a sense of what’s required to make hits with pistols at a distance, I’m also told this guy is a champion in European blackpowder competition.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Shot competition pistol matches for a lot of years (un-mentionable both semi and wheel gun) worked my way up to master class, even champions have an off day and a few misses now and then. Hard to believe but it happens.

 

[45D]

I do have a sense of what’s required to make hits with pistols at a distance, I’m also told this guy is a champion in European blackpowder competition.

I'm sure you do and I agree with you and I know he's a champion shooter. I just think he would do better if the revolver was the same for each shot. Don't see how that can be if you're tapping the wedge between the shots.

Mike

 

[Stantheman86]

I hope someone is courteous enough to send Dr Balasz Nemeth a message that he's not maintaining his gun properly

I have some tips on Double Action revolver shooting for Jerry Miculek too , I'm sure he could use some advice

 

[45D]

I hope someone is courteous enough to send Dr Balasz Nemeth a message that he's not maintaining his gun properly

I have some tips on Double Action revolver shooting for Jerry Miculek too , I'm sure he could use some advice

That's pretty cute but it's not a "maintenance" issue, it's a "build" issue.
You'd think someone that knows everything there is to know about cap guns ( and double actions) would understand the idea of having the "same" revolver from shot to shot . . . at least from "cleaning to cleaning" would be of importance.

I don't have to touch a wedge at the range, only for cleaning. That "idea" should be elementary. NASCAR drivers don't build engines, engine builders don't drive ( not since Smokey Yunick anyway).

Mike