but a pink glock?
now we are talking seriously cool
now we are talking seriously cool
Blackpowder for Defense?
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I tend to agree with Zonie, a modern revolver in single action should fit the bill and be relieable enough for some defense situations although a double action would be better, but I don't envy your situation as it seems to be making a difficult potential problematic occurance worse. Have to hope more rational thoughts prevail as having a modern weapon for defense makes so much more sense. Just my opinion
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fit the gun to the mission. Modern sporting guns CAN do the job, but they were not really designed for it. Just like a duck gun CAN work for a grouse gun, but it was not specifically designed as a grouse gun.
There is no more serious mission than personal defense. If ever there is a case for a specifically built gun, it's for that mission. Odds are pretty good that you will never fire it on it's designed mission, but make sure that you completely detail strip and re-oil it at least once a year to remove any gummy build up on any moving parts and bearing surfaces.
There is no more serious mission than personal defense. If ever there is a case for a specifically built gun, it's for that mission. Odds are pretty good that you will never fire it on it's designed mission, but make sure that you completely detail strip and re-oil it at least once a year to remove any gummy build up on any moving parts and bearing surfaces.
Well that's just it.
There ain't a single "handgun" that's ever been made for anything but killin a man has there?
From Dueling Pistols to Pepper box to Revolvers and newer, they've all been made fer killin.
There ain't a single "handgun" that's ever been made for anything but killin a man has there?
From Dueling Pistols to Pepper box to Revolvers and newer, they've all been made fer killin.
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Cynthialee said:
Doesn't matter if it's pajammies or a bag of cat food, pink makes a difference. It's the way we're wired.
Make sure your pardner can bail you out at 100 yards.
I've seen more than a few handguns that were made for precision target shooting.
Yes, they can also kill people but then, so can an axe or a pocket knife.
Yes, they can also kill people but then, so can an axe or a pocket knife.
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Buy the 2nd revolver instead.
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interesting topic...
a walker colt has some serious power, big/heavy
and i wouldn't use it in the house, but then again i wouldn't use a 44 magnum in the house either.
me? black powder weapons are best used as shtf backup, where you use them to take game and save the harder to replace modern rounds used to ward off bad actors.
a good rifle capable of long range work might be really handy as a first line of defense... shoot and scoot while they are out a few hundred yards... then from another position follow up with more modern weapons... it might be the muzzle loader is enough of a deterrent to make them think twice before advancing... then you save your hard to replace ammo.
the idea is to keep the sonsabeaches way, way away from you and your house to start with if you can.
large bore big guns are very intimidating to bad guys, and even professional/soldier types don't like advancing against weapons that kick up lots of dirt.
anything that leaves holes in their vehicles large enough to stick a quarter into is very concerning compared to a 223 round and its tiny little hole... it might well convince some bad guys you have a 50cal barrett up there and know how to use it?
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a walker colt has some serious power, big/heavy
and i wouldn't use it in the house, but then again i wouldn't use a 44 magnum in the house either.
me? black powder weapons are best used as shtf backup, where you use them to take game and save the harder to replace modern rounds used to ward off bad actors.
a good rifle capable of long range work might be really handy as a first line of defense... shoot and scoot while they are out a few hundred yards... then from another position follow up with more modern weapons... it might be the muzzle loader is enough of a deterrent to make them think twice before advancing... then you save your hard to replace ammo.
the idea is to keep the sonsabeaches way, way away from you and your house to start with if you can.
large bore big guns are very intimidating to bad guys, and even professional/soldier types don't like advancing against weapons that kick up lots of dirt.
anything that leaves holes in their vehicles large enough to stick a quarter into is very concerning compared to a 223 round and its tiny little hole... it might well convince some bad guys you have a 50cal barrett up there and know how to use it?
fwiw
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ever see a .44 roundball pushed by 30 grains of 3F in the dark?
It is a whole lot of fire. They are actually rather impressive when it is dark.
Ever go to the range and start fireing off a BP pistol and half the line goes quiet and starts looking at you?
These guns grab alot more attention and inspire more fear than they are perhaps due when we consider modern firearms. But people are effected by flashy loud fire, viceraly.
There is some intimidation value in these guns if nothing else.
It is a whole lot of fire. They are actually rather impressive when it is dark.
Ever go to the range and start fireing off a BP pistol and half the line goes quiet and starts looking at you?
These guns grab alot more attention and inspire more fear than they are perhaps due when we consider modern firearms. But people are effected by flashy loud fire, viceraly.
There is some intimidation value in these guns if nothing else.
Just when I was having fun I have to go put my moderator hat back on.nmdd said:
Discussion of C&B guns that are converted to cartridges are beyond the limits of the Muzzleloading Forum.
Basically, we are a non cartridge place. Sorry.
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google; Deadliest Warriors; Jesse James vs. Al Capone.
interesting comparison of BP vs centerfire.
interesting comparison of BP vs centerfire.
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Right after I Google "Yosemite Sam vs Foghorn Leghorn".rockyroad said:
Congrats on your first post. Welcome to the forum. :hatsoff:
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Something has bothered me the whole extent of this thread! The premise is that bp is less of a deterent to violence than modern weapons. That's a real bad misconception!
We can't spend our time debating which weapon system is best, without the consideration of the end.
I don't care what type of weapon you choose to defend yourself with, if you are unwilling to take the life of your advisory, you are better off without a weapon. You pull a gun, you need to be mentally prepared to use it with lethal force, and not a bluff.
We can debate the mechanics of the proper weopon all night long, but not being prepared to use it, no matter what it is, will only get you and your loved ones hurt. This isn't theory, it's time spent shooting with the US Border Patrol, and being an armourer for other departments. I gave this up 25 years ago and have gone to the dark side and never regretted it.
This thread has been very interesting, and provoked much thaught, but IMHO needs to be tempered with reality.
Thanks, I really like being here and hope I haven't made everyone mad at me. That wasn't my intention/
We can't spend our time debating which weapon system is best, without the consideration of the end.
I don't care what type of weapon you choose to defend yourself with, if you are unwilling to take the life of your advisory, you are better off without a weapon. You pull a gun, you need to be mentally prepared to use it with lethal force, and not a bluff.
We can debate the mechanics of the proper weopon all night long, but not being prepared to use it, no matter what it is, will only get you and your loved ones hurt. This isn't theory, it's time spent shooting with the US Border Patrol, and being an armourer for other departments. I gave this up 25 years ago and have gone to the dark side and never regretted it.
This thread has been very interesting, and provoked much thaught, but IMHO needs to be tempered with reality.
Thanks, I really like being here and hope I haven't made everyone mad at me. That wasn't my intention/
Mad???
Heavens no.
Everything you said is absolutely correct.
I don't think many here would say that a black powder gun is less of a deterrent but I do think many would agree that the inherent weaknesses of these guns (like failing to fire) could be a problem that is best avoided in a dangerous situation by using something more modern.
Heavens no.
Everything you said is absolutely correct.
I don't think many here would say that a black powder gun is less of a deterrent but I do think many would agree that the inherent weaknesses of these guns (like failing to fire) could be a problem that is best avoided in a dangerous situation by using something more modern.
My Remingtons have never failed to fire, not once. I would not hesitate to use them for personal defense.
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One thing that has not been discussed on this thread is a situation where you find yourself having to defend yourself and others with a muzzleloader.
Though unlikely here are some scenarios...
1. Hunting and being shot at or pursued.
2. On the range.
3. A public event like a reenactment or historical demonstration and real shooting starts.
4. At home and that's just what was handy.
All of the above have happened with the possible exception of #3. But there have been mass shootings at public events but no reenactments I know of but it is possible.
I've got more to add but I'll post this to keep the core brief.
Though unlikely here are some scenarios...
1. Hunting and being shot at or pursued.
2. On the range.
3. A public event like a reenactment or historical demonstration and real shooting starts.
4. At home and that's just what was handy.
All of the above have happened with the possible exception of #3. But there have been mass shootings at public events but no reenactments I know of but it is possible.
I've got more to add but I'll post this to keep the core brief.
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Wow, I didn't think there was a person alive that owns cap-n-ball revolvers that has never had a misfire in their guns.
Must just be me, I've been shooting them for almost fifty years,have them all tuned as well as possible and I still get misfires on occasion. Some times it's been bad caps with no fulminate in them. MD
Must just be me, I've been shooting them for almost fifty years,have them all tuned as well as possible and I still get misfires on occasion. Some times it's been bad caps with no fulminate in them. MD
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swathdiver said:
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The original question was not about a deterrent. It was: "using black powder weapons for defensive purposes".orion52 said:
When it comes to defending lives, I choose the most modern, efficient weapon I can afford. For me to do any less would be foolish, in my opinion.
Using the same logic, I choose the most modern, efficient computer I can afford, because that's how I make my living. I could use an old, outdated brand/model, for nostalgic reasons, but my business and family would suffer for it.
Do I care what others use? Absolutely not, but some of the reasoning read see here baffles me.
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