getting a "canoe gun" would love to see some pic's.

[Paul R]

As an experienced Canadian moose hunter, the last place I would want to shoot a moose is in the water. Where I hunt, the only way in is by floatplane. You couldn't walk out if your life depended on it. Unless you have a crew and a good block & tackle to get that 1600 lb. critter out of the water, you're going to be field dressing it in the water,trying to break it down into pieces small enough to carry. In October, that canadian shield water is darn cold.

Oops, sorry, off topic. My canoe gun has been a CF. That one will stay home this year in favour of my TC Hawken .50 re-stock or the new build .58, 31" swamped flint.

Paul

 

[adkmountainken]

GrnMtboy,
who built your gun? what load are you using for shot and rb? very nice man thanks for sharing!

 

[BillinOregon]

Dang it Greenmtnboy, your gun is a good looker and a "gooder shooter" as Festus might say.

 

[flintlock75]

Dont be discouraged, here is a picture of my short barrel trade gun, 20ga, 24" barrel. I shoot a load of 70gr of 3F and 1oz of 7 1/2 shot for small game, it is light and handy in heavy brush and throws a filling pattern out to 25 yards. I have taken a moose with this gun, shot at 20 yards with a .600 PRB and 80 gr of 3F. I can shoot a 3-4" group at 50yards, but after that the groups open up alot. fine for shooting at close range. I installed a rear sight to make it more effective for finer shooting but still a 50 yard max gun.

This gun was made by Curley Gostompski for a fellow who was doing a trail ride to Jackson Hole Wyoming, it was made primaraly for horeseback use. I have shot a few grouse from my canoe, but mostly on land. It is very handy to carry in a boat. I hope this helps you, please post picture of your new gun when it done.

 

[adkmountainken]

very nice, thanks for sharing!!! i'm sure mine will ride with me often while i kayak the many rivers around here.

 

[buzp]

I recently saw a western that was made in the early 1940's, I can't remember the name of the movie but it was on the Encore Western channel so it will probably be on again in the near future. In the movie, the indian a chief carried a very short barreled flintlock musket, I'm guessing around 24-28 inches. The movie was pretty bad but that musket was very cool, kind of made me want one.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

GrnMtboy,
who built your gun? what load are you using for shot and rb? very nice man thanks for sharing!

I got in a trade at Nationals last summer in Creed CO from Adrian Howard.
A buddy of his made it, it was unfired with a beautful acid etching over the barrel and lock.
Yotie Joe helped me put a modified jug choke in it and I had L.C. Rice try to tune that piece O manure Queens Anns lock by L@R.
It sparks better and has a bit faster ignition but it nothing compaired to my Chambers locks.
I shoot 70 grns of FFG and one ounce of #4 shot.
I also shoot 60 grns of FFG a .610 RB with a .015 tight weave patch from Texas patching(I buy by the yard) and no over powder wad.
:thumbsup:

 

[BillinOregon]

I had a Miroku Bess whose barrel had been cut to 30 inches. It handled very nicely, although I did not have a chance to take any game with it.
That piece of yours is quite handsome, flintlock75, especially seeing as how it made moose meat for you!
Thanks for those photos.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

did not realize this was a period correct forum, thank god no one on here shoots a Thmpson Center or Lyman!

I think what a few of our forum members do not relize that like you I grew up on the Canadian border and short guns were called Canoe guns all the way back to the early 1800 like I posted before when the lets gang up crew started up on another forum member about Canoe guns.
Let it go, it reagonal and they will never understand.I think they feel new members should all be adapt enough to look up topics before asking a old question on a new forum they just joined.
No, short muzzleloaders were not sold as Canoe guns but when 90 percent of folks living in the North east territory lived out of their boats well...DUH we call em canoe guns.
Here was my respons before.





Now when I was a boy my grandfather who was born in 1900 told me the doublebarrel muzzleloading shot gun my great grandfather used on his trapline and deer hunting via canoe was called a "canoe gun" by my great grandfather who was born in 1870. That gun was given to him by my Great Great Grandfather who used it the same way, and also called it a canoe gun.
My great great grandfather was born 1845.
weird ain't it, no historical reference ever found to a canoe gun but the one I got hanging in my gun cabnet has been called a canoe gun for 150 yrs.

Maby it was so obvious they diden't need to write it down.
The shot gun is a 24 guage double percession 28 inch barrels.
I even got a black and white of my great grandfather, shotgun slung over his back in a Mansfield canvas canoe loaded with a nice white tail

 

[Greenmtnboy]

very nice pics flintlock75

 

[tg]

" my apologies, just felt like i get thrown in to a dog fight and was not expecting that'

You owe no one an apology the pC/HC factor is usually mentioned when any gun type is brought up as a topic which is a valid part of any gun description it is then up to the original poster to make use of the information if it is important to them of dismiss it if the historical level of his needs is not compromised, enjoy your purchase, many folks find these guns fun and usefull just not an easy fit into a serious reenacting persona, enjoy the journey and do not take anything personal this is one of a few topics that takes on a life of its own most of the time and unfortunately leaves the original poster in the dust.Try to get a barrel with a taper in the oct section they look and handle much better than the ones with a straight oct section from my experience.Let's not beat him up to bad guys he's just asking a question, he did not invent the term :wink:

 

[akapennypincher]

As I recall both Jackie Brown of Mississippi, and NorthStar West of MOONTANA, build Canoe guns.

I am not sure where it is legal too shoot CANOES, and what the Daily Bag limit is. :blah:

 

[Greenmtnboy]

" my apologies, just felt like i get thrown in to a dog fight and was not expecting that'

You owe no one an apology the pC/HC factor is usually mentioned when any gun type is brought up as a topic which is a valid part of any gun description it is then up to the original poster to make use of the information if it is important to them of dismiss it if the historical level of his needs is not compromised, enjoy your purchase, many folks find these guns fun and usefull just not an easy fit into a serious reenacting persona, enjoy the journey and do not take anything personal this is one of a few topics that takes on a life of its own most of the time and unfortunately leaves the original poster in the dust.Try to get a barrel with a taper in the oct section they look and handle much better than the ones with a straight oct section from my experience.Let's not beat him up to bad guys he's just asking a question, he did not invent the term :wink:

well said T.G.
I think winter makes folks grumpy.
:haha:

 

[Mike Brooks]

I used to hunt alot out of a canoe, usually two or three day trips. This is the gun I used. Carolina gun, 48" 28ga barrel. No problems handling or loading in a canoe.
Canoe gun

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Thats a beautful gun Mike.
I also perfer a long gun in a canoe because to be honest most things on shore are are usally out of a short smooth bores range.
My shorty I posted is choked and I use it for "what the hell trampsin"
I still call it a canoe gun tho only because of where I grew up.
:thumbsup:

 

[paulvallandigham]

My first MLer was an import Piece of dung that came with a 25" barrel, in .45 caliber. I shot that gun for most of 3 years, and learned to shoot quite well with it.

I also have a 12 ga. DBL shotgun with 22" barrels I have used to hunt dove, rabbits, and pheasants. No choke. I cut 8" of the tubes off because of a very deep scratch that went right on out through a thin, Full Choke, on the right side barrel. The gun belonged to my grandfather, and I simply didn't want to take a chance of splitting that barrel even further back, by firing anything off in that full choke bore.

It Does take a bit of practice shooting it to get used to that short barrel, when I have been shooting my 28 and 30 inch barreled guns, but I am able to make the adjustment by first shooting a round of skeet with the gun before going hunting. As you can imagine, the balance of the gun is far different than my longer barreled DBL Mler, or my modern shotguns. I have to relearn to actually move it slower, and to continue moving the muzzle after I fire, because there is no weight out front to aid follow-thru. I find that actually thinking of the muzzle as a paint brush as I sweep through a flying target gives me the correct lead. I kill more birds with that gun than maybe I should expect. :idunno: :surrender:

I wish you all the best with your new gun, and hope you get hours of enjoyment with it in the field. :hatsoff:

 

[tg]

". This is the gun I used. Carolina gun, 48" 28ga barrel. No problems handling or loading in a canoe."

Hey Mike where did that sepentine side plate pattern come from? any particular time for that one, I do not have my book with various sideplates and their probable dates at hand

 

[hanshi]

Back when I first heard the term "canoe gun" I didn't know whether to scratch my head or laugh, so I did both. I had no idea what such a critter was and I had never been in a canoe. When I saw one I thought it was a neat idea. Later it was clear there were quite a few around and they were highly regarded. The thought of a 22" .62 smoothbore, especially along the lines of my 38" 20ga, causes me a serious longing for such a shorty. For years I had lots of fun with a 20" double barreled percussion 12ga. A flinter about that size would be great to carry and hunt with. By all means post pics when your "canoe gun" is delivered.

 

[Mike Brooks]

". This is the gun I used. Carolina gun, 48" 28ga barrel. No problems handling or loading in a canoe."

Hey Mike where did that sepentine side plate pattern come from? any particular time for that one, I do not have my book with various sideplates and their probable dates at hand

Typical sideplate for Carolina guns from at least 1720 through 1770's. It's one I drew out myself from originals pictured in Hamilton's book. I get them cast locally.

 

[tg]

Thanks Mike I thought that might have been the source that is the book I do not have now.