Got My Smoothie Today...Disappointment

[pennsyltucky]

yes please take a few pics and post em.

im really lookin forward to placing my order for the cumberland smoothbore and would like to see the gun u got and would really like to see how larry handles the situation...... please keep us posted

 

[RJR]

Wasn't going to post pictures, but after thinking about it I decided you all needed to see what my complaint was so you could decide for yourselves. I do not believe this is Larrys normal work, but this gun should never have left his shop.

Rick

 

[fatboy]

Hey Deaddawg I can see what the outside looks like and I wouldnt be happy opening up a box and finding something like that. I am assuming you have talked to him before you did anything to the barrel right ? If you have spoken with him what has he done to correct the issue's you have ? Good customer service can make a bad thing better ya know, replace what you have, give you a size able discount and so on .Would like to here details of your talk with him on how he's goin to fix this hope thingds work out for ya

 

[big bore 75]

Dead- dog , Only thing that I see is a partially browning barrel!!I'd leave it be, and start the rest browning to get a good brown unless your planning on it being, bright,now as for the rest I don't see any other pics, tell ya what I'd do is call Larry and get a new butt plate if your's is so badly wrong, and let him make you happy, thats just part of customer relations, Larry is a friend and will make it right for you. bb75

 

[RJR]

There are more pictures if you care to see them, they are on[url] hunt101.com[/url] web page web page web page web page web page web page web page web page web page web page

 

[Rebel]

Ok, after looking at the pictures i would say you have a legitimate complaint. I would most definately be getting ahold of them for a replacement or refund. Too much wrong for money you spent.

 

Absolutely! Good Lord... that is horrible!

 

[Gemoke]

that gun should be a poster for how not to build a smooth bore.
cut finger

 

[750k2]

No excuses for that, I'd get my cash back and run like hell!! One is to damn many. Anyone who said to give him a chance is nuts. One mistake like that should ruin a rep. The word professional mean anything to anyone.
:imo:

 

[mhogan]

That must have made the old stomach do a flip-flop or two when you opened the package.

 

[3 stinky dogs]

Yup those are ugley all right.

 

[jim gray]

My review policy is this: if it's good, we'll let you know. If it isn't, we send it (whatever "it" is) to the manufacturer and give him a chance to fix "it". If it comes back better, we let you know. If the manufacturer says "forget it, it's perfect the way it is", well, don't expect us to endorse the product, even if that company or individual is a paid advertiser. If Larry had sent a gun to me that was sub-par, I would have sent it back and told him that I couldn't run it until it was in top order.

Okay, SB, I owe you an apology. :sorry: My statemant was one of those general statements, and as such was probably not germaine to the topic a hand. It was not intended to allude you to your publication, or to imply that you followed such a practice. I made it as an aside only. however concerning those magazines published by corporations solely concerned with the bottom line, I'll stand by that statement. Once more I'm sorry to have given offense.

 

[jim gray]

Well the first thing that comes to mind,... nevermind I can't post that here, but the second, or third, or the first thought that I can post is return the gun immediately for a refund. I would be furious at having wasted so much time waiting for that to be built when you could have had a far superior gun months ago. I still think you should let (insist that) the builder fix this disaster or better yet replace it. You paid far too much for this piece of junk to have to do major repair work at your expense and on your time.

But that's just my humble opinion, of course.

 

[Okwaho]

I have to agree with bb75 here.I have seen all the pictures of this gun and I didn't see anything that resembled the total disaster some people have ascribed to it.This was and is a Kentucky barn gun in the white intended to be one notch above a kit.It is intended to look more like the product of a blacksmith than a gunsmith.As to the screws I would bet they are temps that the maker forgot to swap out and the gaps on each end of the guard are what you might see in a semi crude gun. After all this gun was supposed to have work done on it before finishing. This is a $550 to 600.00 gun not a completely finished gun.I have played with and handled hundreds of these old guns and they don't look like a Jud Brennan or an Erik Kettenberg not by a long shot. I could play with this gun for a few weeks and really make it look old and if there weren't slight gaps on the guard finials as well as the lock mortice, I would have to make some to simulate wood shrinkage.Folks we are not talking about a custom Jacob Dickert or Frederick Sell rifle here.We are talking about a $600.00 barn gun designed to look like a hand me down gun.The only and I mean only thing that would bother me about the gun as I viewed it in the pics would be the inside of the bore certainly not the outside.So lighten up people,one would think that for $600.00 he should get a custom made high art Kentucky rifle.It just simply doesn't work that way.As a quality gun builder put it "You get what you pay for".The parts on that gun if bought from the average vendor would run about $350.00 and the stock about $150.00. That's $500.00 in my book which leaves $100.00 for labor and shipping.Like the man said,"You get what you pay for".I frankly think that the gun is well worth what the buyer paid and in fact he was complimentary of the stock work saying that"the stock was beautifully carved".As I said that gun could be made to look like it had gone through 4 generations of professional hunters and it wouldn't be all that difficult.
Now let the arrows begin!
Tom Patton :m2c:

 

Okay, SB, I owe you an apology. :sorry: My statemant was one of those general statements, and as such was probably not germaine to the topic a hand. It was not intended to allude you to your publication, or to imply that you followed such a practice. I made it as an aside only. however concerning those magazines published by corporations solely concerned with the bottom line, I'll stand by that statement. Once more I'm sorry to have given offense.

Oops, now it's my turn to apologize (again)!

I just wanted to make MY position clear and the policy that we adhere to. I know that a lot of magazines only review for paying customers, but I have been very careful to avoid that or even the perception of pandering to paying customers.

Sorry I got jumpy, I just like for my position to be clear.

eace: eace: eace:

 

[big bore 75]

like okwaho said, you have some work to do if your worried about the gaps in the wood use agra glass to fix it up, or leave it , got to also let you know that original guns had the same effect with gaps around inletting, you sure are worried about the barrel , there is many things you can do to fix that, the pillips headed screws well take 'em out and use #4 or #3 wood screws(slotted),the butt plate not sure what your trying to show but if the butt plate is extened past the wood thats cool,is there to protect the heal, ir you consenred install a toe plate and file the butt plate flush to the toe plate, the only thing that botherd me was the uncenterd front plate screw if it does not effect the main spring, I too would ignore it otherwise it looks great, you do have a bunch of work to do before, its ready, if your really worried about it please by all means send it to me and I'll keep it for you. bb75

 

[big bore 75]

oh ya forgot to add If you wanted a costum rifle with all the bells and wistles the big name would be in the 4 digit nunbers,and a good 2-3 year wait. bb75

 

[pennsyltucky]

as i look at those pics, the only thing that bothers me is the screws being crooked for the lock. i would like to see a little better wood fitment, but its nothing that cant be fixed.

i expect to see temporary screws in a white gun so as not to mess up the slots on the good screws unnecessarily......

i think the expectations for a 600 dollar in the white gun may have been a little high in this case.

 

[mhogan]

Mine would have been too. It might be a beginner issue. Here's how that option is described on the site:

"IN THE WHITE: is a complete gun except for some minor detailing, final finish sanding of the metal and wood. This makes for an enjoyable project even for someone that doesn't have much experience. When ordering one of our kits or a gun in the white consider our ol' time stock stain and finish."

 

[fatboy]

Yea it needs some finish work ,my ? is and i dont want to beat a dead horse, but what has he said about your issues ?