Pedersoli’s production of long guns in general has been down to a trickle since the Chinese air traveling businessmen brought their virus directly to Italy. The Wuhan, China-Italy air route was the main vector out of China to the rest of the world. It took a particularly heavy toll of Italian workers, and skilled, long time employees have been almost impossible to replace.
Thanks for clarifying that. I must have missed that part.
Thanks. It's way off topic here, but to take a chance and stretch a point a bit, and maybe to preach a bit to the younger people here, I just want to make clear I wasn't knocking capitalism. Yes, it can be brutal on the micro level. But on the macro level, it's really the only economic system that in the end does two things the other systems don't:
I agree that “Kibler Longrifles is the best thing to hit the traditional muzzleloading industry in decades.”
They go together pretty much as easy as the kits you named, and the lock is the best on the market at the time. I know, I've built with all of them.
I guess thats a plus for builders but getting educated by Kibler is way better for new shooters with money and wanting the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!/Ed
I agree to each their own , wish more would practice that and not opine on challenges/skills /parts . Diversity is the only thing separating us from the rest (I find that interesting . Building from a blank is not for everyone but unless your the builder your paying /waiting for someone else where as with Kibler you can do something yourself and be proud of it and shoot it till you sell it or not (that's impowering) and educational on it's own /Ed
Well, in the first place, his locks are $300 and they're mostly CNC machined so they need virtually no tuning, and in the second place, I'd respectfully suggest you reserve your judgment of his products wrt others you have experience with until you've tried the Kibler product yourself.
WelI reading that. Ive never had anything to do with CVA ,TC ,or Traditions,anything if perhaps ,snobishly regard all such machine disgorge articles as secondary. Now Mr Kiblers kit like Chambers in a way offers a whole different standard . I've not examined either but recognize the vastly superior article they offer in comparison to the afore mentioned .Ive always" rolled my own" so to speak . CVA Locks had a very poor reputation if the barrels where ime told good shooters I.ve seen gold inlaid Buffaloes on a TC so clearly some owners liked them. I never saw a Traditions I used to fix up Petersoli double shotguns for sale but didn't shoot any . Not knowing other about their products I can only go on such a I've come accross & watched .Cap & Ball wax poetical about them. But then he's an employee some times . I put together a 1766 French musket seemed well enough to me . Maybe some Kiblers reached This hemisphere but I don't know of any . Dave Person has a high oppinion of them that's a very good recommendation for anyone . There was a New Zealand gunmaker Tony Hawkins offered complete or kit a very bsasis caplock rifle noddingly 'Hawken ish' but if ugly they where well made & not expensive I worked for him on development he paid me in barrels some I sent to The UK they shot well one I stocked up as a Full match 451 shot a 98 at Bisley it was dubbed the' Poor mans full match ' .Enfield B Plate & Guard ,Numrich plug & Cawnpore made lock a' bar in wood' .A 1 in 22" pitch but he offered 1 in 40 " providing moulds for each . They far out classed imports & became an Icon to the great wave of Black Powder revival . Today a sadly receding tide .Few millennials get into shooting black powder .We post war Boys didn't have electrical gajets most people had a wireless set then TV came in ,in' glorious black & white.' Only firms had telephones few houses did .Well not in my Neiborhood .However I digress .(I bought my first Muzzle loader for the price of a days potato picking 5 shillings & 6 pence if I recall correctly. I was still at School . Good pay when my first weeks wage was under 3 pounds for 5 & a half days work I was then 15 And out in the work force I could afford 8 pounds for a 1859 Volunteer Enfield .Still have it next came a single farmers gun for 5 pounds 19 & 6 pence still have it too .It had a 27" Rose Brother barrel twist I used to hunt till near dark & in order not to disturb anyone's ' Bairn's' Would recover the shot & fire off the powder down a sough or a rabbit hole to muffle the blast but though Ide poked about to assertain no item was present I fired & on drawing out the barrel it snagged a root it had unwound 1/2 an inch of muzzle so I docked it off amended the now shorter rib and a New bead foresight & now its a 26 & 3/4 inch barrel George West of Retford the retailer was still in business in the 60s.
Your comparing oranges to apples and to grapes. Especially since you say that you have no experience with a Kibler kit. The Kibler locks set the bar for performance, Chambers is still a quality lock and desirable, L&R lost their way quite a while ago and isn’t a valid comparison to a Kibler lock. Hopefully you’ll get a chance to handle and shoot one of the Kibler models, you might decide they’re not too bad.
