My Kibler SMR Build Log

[Joemolf]

I have a funny insight that if the truth be known ... he went to fit the barrel back in and it didn't come close to fitting. Rather than face the landside of criticism for not putting the barrel in when fixing the crack, like everyone suggested, he decided to dive out to save face. WZ

You may be right on that though he seemed to be on track with testing and all. Probably got busy with other happens to me all the time. The one thing with CA glues from my model airplane experience and trust me I built many is that it is hard a glass and can be more than a bear to blend (unless today’s formula is different). So I’ve purchased Starbond and used it on my TVM paying close attention to wiping any excess. I would avoid any fast setting CA like crazy glue sets immediately. I am not a fan of accelerators and try to avoid using them. The Starbond which I do recommend is a slow cure thick and medium CA. Slow does mean overnight you should test on scrap material. So when using in a barrel channel by all means resinstall the barrel with some wax paper between the barrel and repair. I have not used the accelerator I purchased though I do remember from model airplane days the accelerator caused heavy application (gap filling) to swell and expand. Not sure if that is still the case. CA is great stuff for patching your self after a slice with a knife; I understand it is used in surgeries for some time now. No I have never used it for such but it is used. Excess tite bond is pretty tough too but nowhere as hard as CA glue. I think there’s more flexibility in traditional glue so if it came down to one or the other I would stick with titebond

 

[mikesto44]

Just so the O.P. knows I have read this whole " log " report. Your ignorance of our help has got you where you are. If you had 1/100 of an idea what you were doing. You wouldn't have made hardly any of the mistakes you have.
But your total in competence of following good advice is your own fault and NO one else's. Continuing this travesty is making YOU look like a total *****...!
As for your last crisis, just buy another breech plug... Unscrew the old one an put in the new one. If you have trouble with that. It's right tightly an lefty loosely.
Geez man ....

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

My only problem arose when I tried to bevel the muzzle, as Kibler does in his video, and as I've seen on some completed rifles. I found it was very, very difficult to file eight bevels of equal angle and equal depth, and eventually gave up and sort of rounded it off as best I could:
View attachment 241349

Not very happy with that, so I'd recommend to other first-timers to just leave the muzzle flat. It already looks just fine that way.

Meanwhile, any good ideas on how to remedy that / disguise that / just leave it alone are welcomed. But I just had to leave you guys with at least one little thing to jump on, no?

This is the one that finally broke my Spock eyebrow.

 

[Joemolf]

“Not a member of the good old boys club around here”?

You would be correct IF we didn’t have enormously talented people offering their assistance TO EVERYONE who asks, regardless of status. Quite the opposite, these talented builders offer advice freely, NOT keeping “trade secrets” within an elite group. They want all of us to succeed, thereby carrying on this great tradition into the future. The exact opposite of a good old boys club.

Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

I agree there’s no good old boy club here! I’m a novice and have PM’d many and got great advice each and every time as well as the forum itself. This is a great resource don’t knock it.

 

[sturmkatze]

New members beware!! Don't express contrary opinion. If you're given advice (especially if not asked for), keep mum on whether or not it's the right advice for you. You'll risk getting hammered if you receive but don't use advice given. Problematic when you get four differing advices on one question. You'll make three enemies and one friend. Best just keep your own counsel.

I wasn’t going to say anything, but… so many guys tried to help you and you know better. This us all on you. God help you if you get it done , next you’ll be deciding that smokeless powder would be better to shoot in this gun, as everyone rise is just wrong.

Model airplanes might be better for you.

 

[Jaeger73]

Man I was looking forward to seeing a finished product!

 

[wiscoaster]

....

Model airplanes might be better for you.

You're right, 'cuz been there, done that.
One or the other of these two gentlemen is me:

... circa 1985 or so.

 

[WhaleTail]

Well perhaps your inability to follow simple tasks is a more recent development in your process of aging.

Take it from an old school 747 Captain, you would not have passed your PPL then (or now) with your unique combination of arrogance and stubbornness toward instruction.

More hazardous attitudes than I care to list…

 

[reddogge]

Hey! Swallow the pride, pack the gun up, and send it to Kibler. He can install and fit the new breech plug, cut and recrown the barrel, and the only thing left to do is put on a finish. Jeez.

 

[Tenring]

I have NEVER Seen a barrel edged like that before, you just want to break the edge kiss it with the file ever so lightly. Being that model doesn’t have a nose cap I’d wack 2” inches off the barrel and stock match up the rammer the same way re crown it with a uni bit re stager the thimbles tight bond the crack and make a longer toe plate and cut it on a 90 degree so it’s straight and make for a super easy inlet sand the stock lightly ,Burch wood Casey all the dam parts brown and call it a day, that rifle could be done like this in an afternoon No BS.. I wish I had it here right now….

 

[Joemolf]

I wasn’t going to say anything, but… so many guys tried to help you and you know better. This us all on you. God help you if you get it done , next you’ll be deciding that smokeless powder would be better to shoot in this gun, as everyone rise is just wrong.

Model airplanes might be better for you.

most modern models are premade no glue! I didn’t read most of the thread just figured I throw my 2 cents in on the glue but I have to say this is some mess and model airplanes would probably be a safer hobby for all and I sincerely mean no offense like Clint Eastwood said “a man has to know his limitations”! Take heed in that.

 

[wiscoaster]

Take it from an old school 747 Captain, you would not have passed your PPL then (or now) with your unique combination of arrogance and stubbornness toward instruction.

The thread didn't start that way:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2376557https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2376558https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2377667https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2377768https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2378017https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2379072https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2379344
Then the negative comments began already on page three, in jest at first, perhaps:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2379529
... escalated into not a jest:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-8#post-2383421
So maybe my attitude could be explained by defending myself?? And escalating my defense in proportion? I can only think you haven't read the entire thread from the very beginning objectively.

Ya, one of my first captains was "old school". Didn't want any input from a fresh-faced kid copilot. Shut up and run the checklist and the radios. You should have seen him when he couldn't figure out how to enter an ATC-assigned holding pattern (he didn't want any suggestions from me, who was a CFII, and knew the proper entry), and ATC jumped all over us for wandering all over their airspace. I'm running the radios, and what am I supposed to say?

Nowadays, it's a whole different story. Good thing, too. I'm sure you know CRM, and how valuable it's been in some noteworthy "saves".

Nobody in my day would have said "PPL". It's a Private Pilot Certificate. It's not a license. Maybe you are the troll?

 

[Kmcmichael]

Sir
You deserved every negative comment that was given you!
One cannot claim defending oneself when they are the attacker.
Let’s say you break in someone’s house and shoot them, the self defense idea is prolly not going to fly.

Just forget about all that. Get the tang fixed. Cut off the barrel and continue on. Those guns are muzzle heavy anyway. You could have something that few others have. There is no need to knock the corners off the muzzle. I forgot to do it on my last gun.

Steady as she goes. Only work on it when you feel like it. Make the project last. Don’t use power tools other than a drill.

 

[Tacitus]

It’s never a good idea to feed a troll.

.....especially after midnight.

 

[wiscoaster]

...There is no need to knock the corners off the muzzle. ...

What!?!? You don't think it looks kinda cool??? I kinda like it this way. My Kentucky pistol muzzle is bevelled.

 

[Pratt]

Buy your barrels to your desire. So much can go wrong. Never modify a barrel. Nope danger and disappoint is close at hand.

 

[Kmcmichael]

No, that is way to much in my opinion. I’ve got at least two guns that I did not do.

Those bevel muzzles are only good when hunting grizzly bears. In case you don’t get him with the first shot, it will hurt less when he sticks the gun up where the sun does not shine.

I can see it with a pistol if carried in the waistband but not a rifle.

 

[WhaleTail]

The thread didn't start that way:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2376557https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2376558https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2377667https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-2#post-2377768https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2378017https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2379072https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2379344
Then the negative comments began already on page three, in jest at first, perhaps:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-3#post-2379529
... escalated into not a jest:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/my-kibler-smr-build-log.166072/page-8#post-2383421
So maybe my attitude could be explained by defending myself?? And escalating my defense in proportion? I can only think you haven't read the entire thread from the very beginning objectively.

Ya, one of my first captains was "old school". Didn't want any input from a fresh-faced kid copilot. Shut up and run the checklist and the radios. You should have seen him when he couldn't figure out how to enter an ATC-assigned holding pattern (he didn't want any suggestions from me, who was a CFII, and knew the proper entry), and they jumped all over us for wandering all over their airspace. I'm running the radios, and what am I supposed to say?

Nowadays, it's a whole different story. Good thing, too. I'm sure you know CRM, and how valuable it's been in some noteworthy "saves".

Nobody in my day would have said "PPL". It's a Private Pilot Certificate. It's not a license. Maybe you are the troll?

My goodness, aren’t we triggered. So throughout this thread you have exhibited disdain for expert opinions which were shared with you.

You have clearly learned NOTHING, as you are now merely continuing that trend in your above ”response.”

I’m “old school” in that I’ve been involved in aviation for around 40 years now. I am thoroughly acquainted with CRM/TEM as I helped WRITE THE TRAINING MODULES on these topics for a former airline. So any implications you’ve attempted to make there are barking up the wrong tree. Oh, and the term PPL is a colloquialism used industry-wide, so that was a ridiculous and desperate dig as well. My previous point stands.

Look, you got your desired notoriety (still happy about that top Google search result?) or whatever nonsense you were citing. Then your pomp and fanfare bit you in the *** on a rather colossal level.

A reasoned person with any desire for self-improvement would subsequently sit down and quietly analyze where they went wrong.

Not you though. Not you…

 

[tgfrench]

What!?!? You don't think it looks kinda cool??? I kinda like it this way. My Kentucky pistol muzzle is bevelled.
View attachment 241765

Now your just trolling, looks like your rifle barrel. No way, imo is that a pistol barrel balanced in a single post

 

[brushyspoons]

Build Update

OK, I give up. I'm done. The dark forces win this round. I could have dealt with the muzzle. I cannot deal with this:


... which I discovered this morning while doing some post-filing sanding. It was there when I draw filed. It's not there now. How I have no idea. Where I have no idea. I swept every where and under, and the missing piece that broke off the rear of the tang is not to be found. I cannot fix this. A new barrel is required. And frankly, that means this project is done.

There will be glee and rejoicing in the club house, I'm sure. I won't be there. It's time for me to take a stop-loss and get on with things. Bringing this project to completion from this point would simply not be worth the destruction and loss of my time, mental and physical energy, and psyche.

Build terminated.

How is this a death sentence for a rifle build? Nothing some mild steel, solder, files, and patience can't fix. Those second tang 'bolts' were often wood screws on southern Appalachian rifles.