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I shot a few shots with no lubed cusion wad (1/2). I dropped the fff to 60 gr. I used #5 60 gr.shot. I also cut 4 slits 3/4 down cup. I lubed cup with 1 part bees wax --3 parts olive oil mix. It was a even pattern..So things are looking good now.. Snow storm hit sooo. out maybe tomorrow. I'll get pics too

I'm new to this "smooth bore" stuff. Maybe you have some pics of what you think is a great shot pattern? Thanks ...Jeff
 
My "ideal" is a spread at 30 yards without a hole large enough for a grouse or rabbit to be in at the center of aim.

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This is my 12 gauge New Englander with #5 at 30 yards and I consider it near perfect. But then it's jug choked to 55% and "cheating" to do this. If I could get anywhere near that with my new cylinder bore fowler I'd be a happy camper.

This next one is a 4" circle at 25 yards with that 16 gauge fowler and is pretty good - using #6 shot. I'd be happier if the upper left wasn't so bare. Still working at it. I will try felt wads per Mike Brooks if my available components don't come up with anything.

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Note these two targets are both 8-1/2" x 11" sheets.
 
Stumpkiller ... Thanks alot. I'll print some of the same targets and put them on here soon !
 
jeffdrown said:
I shot a few shots with no lubed cusion wad (1/2).
I dropped the fff to 60 gr.
I used #5 60 gr.shot.
I also cut 4 slits 3/4 down cup.
I lubed cup with 1 part bees wax --3 parts olive oil mix.
It was a even pattern.

Just trying to understand the range session.
Did each change produce an even pattern or did the set of changes together produce an even pattern?
 
jeffdrown said:
I made all changes and lucked out on good pattern...

Next step is to find the max distance that you'll get acceptable penetration...using strong steel cans like tuna cans or soup cans seem to be a decent sort of testing medium.
Set them up at 20, 25, 30, 35yds, etc, so you're looking at the small 3.5" bottoms, shoot a can at 20yds, then 25, etc. You'll reach a distance where the pellets no longer punch through the metal.

Then the next stage of testing might be called for...if you need more distance, you'll normally go to the next larger shot size for more weight/energy...or add more powder...but all the while balancing that against pattern density, which might call for more shot pellets, etc.

For the particular game you'll be hunting, you're juggling all the elements to find the best combination of powder charge, shot pellet size, shot charge volume, penetration, at a workable max distance...you get the idea.
 
You can order 10lb bags from places like MidwayUSA, Ballistic Products, and Gamaliel may carry 10lb bags too.

But IMO, you're best bet is to look locally as the shipping on a single order drives the cost up.
Check things like local Craig's List, Misc For Sale Ads, Trap & Skeet clubs, Gun Shops, etc.
 
yep try to find some locally 1st, then watch for a special from ballistic products and buy several bags I caught them with a $10 dollar shipping once on #50 and bought a pretty good supply,(several bags as i reload for my other shotguns) with that deal a good saving was realized over cost of shot here
 
BP also allows you to mix for that 50#. My last order I got 25# of #5 and 25# of #6 chilled - should keep me scattering for a bit.

I came across a 25# bag I had in the cellar (from the original local ****'s) that is priced $13.97!
 
jeffdrown said:
One more ? Who sells shot at a reasonable price...I know ..lol!

I use Ballistic Products for all the reasons cited, but here's another potential source for you:

Check and see if you can find a good trap club within driving range. Most I know of do large buys of shot to get volume discounts and save on shipping, then pass along the savings to members buying individual bags. The clubs I've known over the years buy mostly #8, but usually add an array of other sizes to their bulk orders. I haven't done so in years, but back when I had access to a club I could get shot for close to half price.
 
Thel local trap clubs can also tell you who the local Distributor of the shot is, and that company often shows up at "Registered Shoots" at all clubs in the area with a truckload of shot to sell to shooters. ( also powder(smokeless), wads and primers).

A life member of the Amateur Trapshooting Association( ATA) took me to the distributor's business warehouse, one day, where we bought cases of 12 ga. shells, primers, wads, powder, and shot for much lower costs than we found anywhere else. We stocked up, of course, buying enough stuff to last us a year. All that was possible because my friend had been buying large quantities of shot, and other supplies from this distributor, and had always said "Hello" to the guy at registered Trap shoots, and shared his latest jokes. And, if the distributor had a new powder, or a new kind of wad, my friend would buy some and try them out. Then he would tell the distributor how he liked or didn't like the product.

That proved to be valuable "feed back" to the dealer to estimate how much of a market he might have, and then how large or small an order he should make of the new product for future sales. He didn't stay in business for more than 40 years making a lot of bad decisions. MY friend was just one of dozens of top shooters that the distributor would ask to try new and old products to compare, and report back to him on what they found.

When I was at the warehouse, the distributor asked me what brand of shotgun I was shooting, what load I was using, and what I had reloaded in the past. I mentioned the name of another Championship level shooter who had got me started shooting Trap, and the load he had me using. I then told him why I has switched powders, and what the result was in patterns.

You almost could see the gears working in Goldie's head! He was listening. Frankly, Nothing I was doing or using was "New", but even confirming old information, and knowing that old powders and loads are still being used, helps dealers make the right purchases of products for their customers. :hmm: :wink:

Oh, I told Goldie one of my better lawyer jokes, and cemented our friendship. It served me well for more than 10 years. :grin: :thumbsup:
 
I found Dawson Enterprise near Canton,Ohio. They got 25 # bags of Lawrence #5 chilled shot for $34. Its about a hour from me in Ohio..I'll head up there I think. Also is a copper coated shot good for BP guns ???
 
jeffdrown said:
"...is a copper coated shot good for BP guns..."
It is, as is nickel plated...the problem with today's plated shot...(compared to the real deal Winchester Lubaloy from years past)...is that it doesn't seem to be any better than good, high antimony hard magnum lead shot.
Seems that today's versions are nothing more than a thin "wash" over soft lead...compared to the real stuff from the middle of 1900s...IMO, to call today's stuff "plated" is very misleading.

I experimented with some modern copper plated and nickel plated #6s and #5s from Ballistics Products in place of hard magnum lead in my turkey loads and saw no improvement at all.
And on that note, if I could make a suggestion, if you get lead, buy the 'hard' (magnum) lead shot instead of the lower antimony content 'chilled' shot...patterns & penetrates better and is not that much more expensive than chilled.
 
I've bought from rotometals before, if you buy 2 bags of the same size, it is free shipping! No tax or driving for me either!
 
IMHO, today's copper or nickel coated shot is not worth the added cost. The coating is so thin that there is no perceptible difference between it, and magnum shot, using the crush test.

If you are trying to protect lead shot from deforming on firing, first, reduce your powder charge, and then next, try using a slower burning powder, such as Fg vs. FFg.

Next, much success has been had with soft shot NOT deforming when fillers are using between the pellets. Grex is a product used by Winchester- a fine form of beaded synthetic, that weighs next to nothing. Its drawback is that it easily blows away from the muzzle in any light wind, making it more difficult to pour it down the muzzle in the field. .

Puf-lon is a commercial product similar to Grex, but its expensive, and blows away easily making using it in the field difficult at best, in a mler.

A natural filler would be the Jiffy Brand Corn flour Muffin Mix, as it flows well, fills in the tiniest of gaps between the pellets, and easily disperses outside the muzzle in a cloud of yellow smoke. Its also incredibly cheap, and available at most grocery stores. The drawback in using any natural product is its tendency to absorb moisture from the air, and clump.

The Secret to using corn flour in a MLer is to protect that flour from moisture. Use two OS cards on top of the shot- not just one. Consider putting a thin piece of plastic wrap between the two cards to give more vapor barrier to the flour. OR, one of those pre-lubed wood wads from OxYoke on top of the shot, followed by an OS card might be just the ticket.

The trick to using any filler is obtaining complete and consistent distribution of the mix in the shot. If you intend to hunt on a windy day, you might be better off making a shot "cartridge" at home, tying or taping, or gluing the bottom, pouring in the shot in stages while you pour in the filler, and tap the tube to shake all the filler down into the gaps in the column of shot. Then closed the top and carry the shot loads in a pouch or holder that protects the column from collapsing, so that it slides easily down the muzzle. Whether you want to fire the "shot cartridge" "as is", or cut off the top of the cartridge and use OS cards to hold the shot in the barrel is up to you to test in your gun.

My experience, using 3M "post-it" Note paper to form a paper shot cartridge showed than when I used three wraps around the mandrill to form the tube, the shot did NOT separate from the cup, and hit the target at 25 yards as a single "slug"! :shocked2: :rotf: :nono: :shake: :idunno: :surrender: :thumbsup:

Have fun. ( Oh, one wrap became confetti; two worked better, but ended up working better with slits cut into the top of the tube.)
 
Ok ....heres a 25 yard pattern with my .020 tickle cloth cup in my 20 gauge Double (left barrel... MOD.choke)

70 gr FFF
70 gr #5 copper coated Lawerence shot.
CCI Mag #11 cap
Right barrel (IMP choke)pattern about the same.

I have a improved cloth cup to try..I'll keep you informed when shot...Jeff

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8 1/2 X 11 target
 
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