Well I recently recieved my new Parker Hale 1858 Enfield 2 band rifle. Had everything I needed to shoot. Did not grease the minies enough and low and behold I now have one stuck about 5 inches from the powder charge (50 gr. 2F). I tried pulling it, Pounding it down, using hot water and soap to eat away some of the residue now is very deformed and has a nice hole in the middle from the pounding and screwing. No go. So before I do something horribly wrong (wouldent be the first time eh??)I could use some advice. This thing is IN there. I also now have a brass CVA ramrod with the screw stuck in it pretty good. Me and my dad tried pulling the ramrod out and its pretty much has its own agenda... Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
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concerning the powder behind the ball , i hope you let it soak to make sure it's wet so no accident would happen like going off while you are working on it, do you think you can take the breach out, and if you are not sure maybe a gunsmith just for this time be sad if something would happen
Piotr said:
Easy to do with a grease gun...get a grease fitting at an auto parts store that has the same threads as the nipple(vent liner), a grease gun, and a tube (or two) of grease...the hydraulic strength of the solid column of grease will push it right up out of the bore.
Remove the nipple(vent liner), cut 2-3 dozen small 1/4" square pieces of cloth and patiently pack a couple squares at a time way into the hole to plug up the breech and serve as a 'dam' for the grease to press against...then screw the fitting it, attach the grease gun, and pump it up out of the muzzle.
Remove the fitting, then gently use the ramrod and a cleaning patch to slowly push the grease downbore and back out of the hole...SLOWLY so you don't squirt grease across the room...then wipe and clean the bore like you normally would after a range trip.
No theory, I've personally done it...simple.
reddog said:
Yes...that's why this is required:
"...cut 2-3 dozen small 1/4" square pieces of cloth and patiently pack a couple squares at a time way into the hole to plug up the breech and serve as a 'dam' for the grease to press against..."
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Lots of ways to skin a cat. Here's an alternative.
First, you need to get that ramrod out of there. I assume you tried twisting it out with no luck. You can clamp the rod in a vice, close to the muzzle, then pull with all your might. If that doesn't work, use a piece of wood as a lever, say a foot long, between the vice and the muzzle. Maybe even add a cloth buffer between the wood and the muzzle. Something is going to give for sure, it might even pull out that minie, but I doubt it. If you still have an open hole in the minie, try to shake out the remaining powder, if it's dry enough to move.
With the ramrod out, you can get a big fat dowel, as close to bore size as possible, and hammer that minie down all the way. If you have a table saw, you can even rip out a square rod that just fits into the bore. It might take some pretty good pounding at first, but once it gets started it should go easier the rest of the way. You should be able to close up that hole by squashing the bullet. Use a smaller rod if necessary.
Remove the nipple and work about 10 grains of powder through the flash channel. Reinstall the nipple and fire a cap. If you got all the powder out, it should just pop out the ball. If there is wet powder in the breech, be prepared for a long hangfire, then the normal boom. It may take more than one try to get it out, so make sure the ball is reseated all the way down before recharging and popping another cap. Hope this helps. Bill
First, you need to get that ramrod out of there. I assume you tried twisting it out with no luck. You can clamp the rod in a vice, close to the muzzle, then pull with all your might. If that doesn't work, use a piece of wood as a lever, say a foot long, between the vice and the muzzle. Maybe even add a cloth buffer between the wood and the muzzle. Something is going to give for sure, it might even pull out that minie, but I doubt it. If you still have an open hole in the minie, try to shake out the remaining powder, if it's dry enough to move.
With the ramrod out, you can get a big fat dowel, as close to bore size as possible, and hammer that minie down all the way. If you have a table saw, you can even rip out a square rod that just fits into the bore. It might take some pretty good pounding at first, but once it gets started it should go easier the rest of the way. You should be able to close up that hole by squashing the bullet. Use a smaller rod if necessary.
Remove the nipple and work about 10 grains of powder through the flash channel. Reinstall the nipple and fire a cap. If you got all the powder out, it should just pop out the ball. If there is wet powder in the breech, be prepared for a long hangfire, then the normal boom. It may take more than one try to get it out, so make sure the ball is reseated all the way down before recharging and popping another cap. Hope this helps. Bill
Go buy yerself some 1/4" all thread,
,a 1/4" "Furniture Bolt" it's like a lag bolt on one end and 1/4x28 like the all thread.
,a coupling nut.
,2 regular nuts and some flat washers.
Assemble the all thread, coupling nut and Furniture bolt. Drop that down the bore and get that furniture bolt started in the hole you already have in the ball/minnie.
Put the flat wahsers on the all thread and against the muzzle.
If you don't have a good'n'nuff bite on the minnie put the 2 standard nuts together and use that combo and a wrench to get a better bite.
Once you have a hold of the minnie, just run a nut down too the washers and start slowly turning it down with a wrench,
It works like a threaded bottle jack.
Git it? It works most every time. :wink:
,a 1/4" "Furniture Bolt" it's like a lag bolt on one end and 1/4x28 like the all thread.
,a coupling nut.
,2 regular nuts and some flat washers.
Assemble the all thread, coupling nut and Furniture bolt. Drop that down the bore and get that furniture bolt started in the hole you already have in the ball/minnie.
Put the flat wahsers on the all thread and against the muzzle.
If you don't have a good'n'nuff bite on the minnie put the 2 standard nuts together and use that combo and a wrench to get a better bite.
Once you have a hold of the minnie, just run a nut down too the washers and start slowly turning it down with a wrench,
It works like a threaded bottle jack.
Git it? It works most every time. :wink:
The next thing Ill try is to use a c02 discharger. The hole in the minie doesent go all the way through the minie, the screw is just extremely stuck in it somehow. Ill then attempt the grease. If that fails Ill look into some of these other options. The more ideas you guys can present the better. Much appreciate so far :thumbsup:
By the way. The rifle shot great until this incident. I was putting a 10" group at 150 yards and about a 12" group at 200 yards. Very accurate rifle in my opinion. Not a bad kick with a 60 grain charge. My first shot hit a 8" steel gong at 200 yards :grin:
By the way. The rifle shot great until this incident. I was putting a 10" group at 150 yards and about a 12" group at 200 yards. Very accurate rifle in my opinion. Not a bad kick with a 60 grain charge. My first shot hit a 8" steel gong at 200 yards :grin:
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The CO2 extraction would be my first choice, and a bit less messy, if it works.
Beyond this Roundball's grease gun method will work hands down, with nowhere else to go the collumn of grease will force the obstruction out of the barrel.
Just a caution before you start once take the nipple out remove the powder charge.
Toomuch
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Shoot Flint
Beyond this Roundball's grease gun method will work hands down, with nowhere else to go the collumn of grease will force the obstruction out of the barrel.
Just a caution before you start once take the nipple out remove the powder charge.
Toomuch
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Shoot Flint
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If you opt for the grease gun method, be sure you get the correct thread on the grease fitting. Foreign manufacturers may use metric threads which may be close enough to English thread in diameter and threads-per-inch (TPI) to allow them to be screwed together with little effort but doing so will damage the threads in your barrel. Take your nipple with you when you go to buy the grease fitting.
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My advice (completely free and worth what you pay for it. ) Is to try pouring a solution of alchol/murphys oil soap/ and hydron peroxide equal parts down the barrel and let it stand for fifteen minutes or more.Dump out the solution Then use a "T" handle on the end of your brass rod. Put the T handle on the floor, place your feet over the T handle, grip the rifle firmly and use your legs to pull out the stuck projectile. The old stand by solution will foam into the stuck fouling and the oil soap will help lubricate. You have more strength in your legs than in your arms. so this will give you a better pull. :hmm: :idunno: :hmm:
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That's quite a mess you have for yourself.
Sorry, but with a deformed and therefore probably compressed bullet with a hole in it, your best, maybe only, option is to unbreach the gun. You will still have to drive it out but at least you have some daylight and you can see what you are doing.
Next time start with compressed air first or maybe roundball's grease method, though I am not a fan of the grease thing. Some say it works and I suppose it does......
Good luck.
Sorry, but with a deformed and therefore probably compressed bullet with a hole in it, your best, maybe only, option is to unbreach the gun. You will still have to drive it out but at least you have some daylight and you can see what you are doing.
Next time start with compressed air first or maybe roundball's grease method, though I am not a fan of the grease thing. Some say it works and I suppose it does......
Good luck.
One more thought. Are you absolutely positively sure you didn't double load that gun? Powder/bullet/powder/bullet??? That would account for the distance. Keep that possibility in mind while working on pulling it. Safety first!
Ok. Heres the plan. Since the minie is moving down the barrel when I pound on it with a brass rod Im going to seat it as closely as possible, remove the possible ruined powder through the nipple, put in a 20 grain charge, and try to blast that sucker out. All other attempts have failed and the grease idea is not all that appealing to me... Im sue this will send the minie flying but Im just hoping it wont hurt my barrel... (Parker Hale barrel) :idunno:
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The safest and easiest method is the CO2 discharger if you have one or can borrow one. The next best choice is Roundball's grease method. It's a bit messy but it will work. Lastly, I might give necchi's all-thread method a try. I think these three methods are the best ideas of all those offered.
Given the situation as you have described it, I think the least safe idea is trying to shoot it out. If it was a round ball that you could move all the way to the breach, putting powder in the nipple hole and shooting it out might be feasable but after deforming the mini-ball as you have, I would rule out shooting it out. That's a darn good way to ruin your barrel and possibly hurting yourself in the process.
Given the situation as you have described it, I think the least safe idea is trying to shoot it out. If it was a round ball that you could move all the way to the breach, putting powder in the nipple hole and shooting it out might be feasable but after deforming the mini-ball as you have, I would rule out shooting it out. That's a darn good way to ruin your barrel and possibly hurting yourself in the process.
Gentlemen, I have run into this numerous times during my gunsmithing carrier of 40 years plus. I remove the nipple remove the barrel from the gun. I wash away all the powder behind the charge, I put the bbl in a vise end down. I determine where the stuck ball is, I take a walmart propane tourch apply heat in a couple of minuted splat there is your stuck ball splattered on the floor melted. Believe it or not the barrel does not gut to hot at all. You all quit farting around and melt it out yehaw, yours hounddog
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