Not trying to pick a fight...

[brushbuster]

Not trying to pick a fight, :nono: but I just wanted to see how people here feel about "traditional style" rifles, percussion or flintlock, with synthetic stocks? Personally I use one now, because its lighter and if it gets a scratch, I won't feel obligated to strip the finish and redo it. But I won't stoop to using a modern inline. :curse: :shake:
Just :m2c:

I agree with Claude, it's your rifle...

i do have a couple of center fire rifles with synthetic stocks,but i have not,nor will ever own a traditional rifle with a synthetic stock,to me they just dont fit(thet "a"word). i love firearms period,and shoot them all,although my other guns have been feelin neglected lately.
every person i know that has an inline ,wants a traditional rifle in the future.if that is where they get their interest in b/p rifles and progress to traditional ,so be it.
do inlines fit in a traditional living history event or voo?
not only no but h...no!!! :nono:they are designed to replecate(paint a picture,if you will) how our ancesters lived in the past ,not present.
that being said. and as the evp in the feb issue of muzzle blast said ."we need to stick together" and promote our wonderful sport to those who want to learn,and quit bickering amongst ourselves.
i have my opinions the same as every one else,but i refuse to let my opinions cloud the big picture.
which is defending our right to "keep and bare arms".
nuff said,i,ll get off my soap box now :imo: :m2c: :yakyak: :redthumb:

 

If you're talking about survival in it's truest sense in the modern world you'd be much better served with something other than a muzzleloader whether it's stock is plastic or wood. As for surviving in cities I couldn't tell you a thing as I've never lived in one nor will I ever live in one, can't stand any of 'em. I darn sure wouldn't live in The Socialist Republic of Massachussets. Ah ain't never lived nowheres but in the country fer muh whole life! I can tell you a thing or three about survivin' in the mountains or here in the Ozarks........heck....we grew up just barely survivin'!!!!!! We wuz so poor down here we didn't know the Great Depression was over til 1968.

Vic

I'm not looking to be some John Wayne type with an AK47 or an M16. 1965, our home was destroyed by Hurricane Betsy. I was living in North Carolina between 1967 and 1968, and the Depression may have ended for you, but the Recession was in full tilt for my family. We lived off the land and squirrels were a staple in our diet. Acorn bread was not an unusual item on the table either. Our idea of candy was picking berries. We were living with my first stepfather's parents. Their house had centeral heating, a pot belly wood burning stove in the center of a two story house. I picked corn for nickel a bushel in the mid-west, Illonios and Indiana. A trip to the store was a luxury. I learned to roll cigerettes for my mother. 1969, we survived Hurricane Camille, after we evacuated New Orleans and ended up in Biloxi, Mississippi. In the mid 1970's, I took care of race horses, cleared swamp, dug drainage ditches and cleaned barrooms. Later I tend bar, and bounce the door. At that time I lived in Lower Coast Aligers, Louisiana. I hate any city and tend to avoid them, can't stand pushy crowds. I have to breathe freely and not somebody else's breath. But I digress....

Just :m2c:

 

"The only requirement to come to an event is that you make some attempt at pre-1600 costume"

In that case why don't you wear a synthetic helmet and paint it silver, or maybe you already do. Now I'm not trying to pick a fight but I do have a rifle that is made just like those in the 18th century with maple wood.

No, I wouldn't personally do that. But I wouldn't look down my nose at a newbie who did. It would only show to me that they wish to fit in. But, that aside, may I compliment you on such a nice match set. Did you do those yourself? A such a hansome young man for your avatar. Now let me ask you this, which would come first. Feeding your child/ren? Or your hobby? Cheap synthetic stock guns are great pieces for newbies to learn and those who have limited income to spare to enjoy our great sport. It gives those of limited income a way to excercise their right to bear arms. And if one of these guns get mussed up, so what? Its not a great loss, now is it? Would you want to lend a newbie those beauties, only to have them returned rusted and dinged?

I wouldn't dream of stripping the finish as you said because of a few scratches. Heck I noticed some new dings in her today while at the range. And I'll put my rifle up against any synthetic stock gun out there. Especially when it comes to survival and puttin' meat on the table!

The gun is only half of the equation. Any gun can shoot straight, but can the shooter. Your card shows you can, so there's no question about that.

She's a beauty and she shoots dang near perfect! I just can't see her in a synthetic dress No Sir!

I couldn't either.

She'll get er done too! Here's my 3X5 card from today at the range 25 yards offhand. Next time I hope I don't drop my 3rd shot! LOL!

A clover leaf would definitely would be tough to beat, Chuck! Hope the weather clears enough up here that I can get a card in.

 

Well, I really don't see the point. I don't even own any synthetics on my 'modern' rilfes/guns. Maybe if you live in south Alaska where it rains all the time, you would want a synthetic stocked modern rifle. But 'primitive' rifle? Why? I like my primitive rifles, well, primitive. WOOD stocks. Old time finishes. Old time technology (hand work). That IS the point about these things. Otherwise you might as well just pull out the old .30-06. :m2c:

 

[wil]

Come on claypipe are you saying that you would not say anything to someone who showed up in a plastic helment painted sliver and wanted camp next to you? :bull: You know you would! Granted, you'll be nice about it, and you'll make suggestions to that person on how to change. But to say that it would not bother you, come on. After all we are only human.
I like to think that I'm willing to help folks get into the this hobby. But if someone sets up camp next to me and then gets out their lawnchairs, you can bet I'm going to say something. I'll be nice about it, and I'll suggest how they can fix it, but you can be sure I'm going to say something.
And a wood stocked rifle dosen't cost any more than a snytic at Bass Pro Shop.
Wil


"History preserved, through knowledge shared"

 

[Tahquamenon]

I much prefer wood on my traditionally styled rifles. Still, I always disdain everytime I create a new scratch or ding. Sure it adds character, but still bothers me.

That said I've also got the "Ugly Mutated Duck" of sidelocks. A T/C Firestorm with 209 primer & 1:28 twist barrel. Real ugly and a bastard, but shoots and carries excellent and is built like a tank.

I know a young boy that got a CVA Bobcat for Christmas because that's all his folks could afford. He is really thrilled with shooting it and I've taken him and his dad (who is also new to muzzleloading out shooting several times). I've never said, nor would I ever say anything to the boy or his father about the synthetic stock on the boy's Bobcat as I don't see anything wrong with it.

Personal choices.

 

Make mine WOOD!!!! :thumbsup: :RO: :redthumb: :m2c:

 

Come on claypipe are you saying that you would not say anything to someone who showed up in a plastic helment painted sliver and wanted camp next to you? You know you would! Granted, you'll be nice about it, and you'll make suggestions to that person on how to change. But to say that it would not bother you, come on. After all we are only human.

You really don't know me. I would actually welcome them to camp next to me and make sure if they had any questions about the hobby, no matter what, they could approach me. Of course I would encourage them to persue the hobby. But, I would wait for them to ask me how to flesh out their kit. It could be that they are just visiting for the sake of a love one and are trying to fit in. But I wouldn't let it bother me. My kids being sick, bills being due, that bothers me. Not the fact that someone is at least attempting to join in the fun of the experience.

I like to think that I'm willing to help folks get into the this hobby. But if someone sets up camp next to me and then gets out their lawnchairs, you can bet I'm going to say something. I'll be nice about it, and I'll suggest how they can fix it, but you can be sure I'm going to say something.

Not for me to do the autocrat or booshway's job. After they have had their say, I might offer some words of encouragement, but, I would wait for that camp to ask me what they might do. This has worked for me for over a decade doing of living history.

And a wood stocked rifle dosen't cost any more than a snytic at Bass Pro Shop.
Wil

Infidel!!!! He shoots inlines!!!! Sorry, couldn't resist! Suggest you visit[url] basspro.com[/url], all that is listed there are inlines and it looks to be that they all have synthetic stocks! :crackup: Look before you leap into the fray!

:imo:

 

[Ohio Joe]

Does anybody here feel that the person who shows up at a doins does not have an earlier responsibility to check into the requirements of the camp before they come? Especially if they are going to take part??? :shake:

People without the start of proper equipment can always come and visit a camp and learn what they need... They need to take some steps too. :huh:

 

Infidel!!!! He shoots inlines!!!! Sorry, couldn't resist! Suggest you visit[url] basspro.com[/url], all that is listed there are inlines and it looks to be that they all have synthetic stocks! Look before you leap into the fray!

then you should order their catalog and go sit on the crapper awhile and study page 352. Then come back and let us know what you found.

Woody

 

[Wanders]

:m2c:
The cost of becoming involved in this or any hobby can be a problem. However, the person has to decide on what they want to do. I went into Gander Mountain and saw BP muzzleloaders that I would never recognize as such. The price on them ranged from $600 to almost $1000. I put together my whole kit- tent, gun, clothing, etc for less than $500. Modern BP guns are too expensive for me- so they have priced me out of that "hobby". Historical reenacting is something that can be done inexpensively and reasonably accurately if the person takes the time to do research and create as much of their kit themselves as possible. If you can afford to, you can also purchase whatever youy like. It took me a couple of years to put together what I felt was right for my first rendezvous. Then I could have gone out again the next weekend. But, it's a work in progress and always will be. :sleep: (Okay I'm off the soapbox now!)
Plastic makes my face sweat! I love wood.
Bill :thumbsup:

 

[Ohio Joe]

Well said, Wanders! And well done! :applause::thumbsup:

 

[wil]

Claypipe,

I always look be for I leap. Maybe you should try it. Bass Pro Shop offers the Springfield Hawken in 54,50,and 45 in their catolog. I have not looked lately but the cost was about $160.00 and that was with everything you needed to shoot it. And I'm pretty sure that Cabelas offers something of like price.
And as a former booshway,dogsoilder,tradechairman, you can not be everywhere at once. So as a result I've always felt that the policeing (I hate to use that word) of the camp is everyones responseabilite. Save your new neighbor some trouble by letting them know what needs to be covered or hid. You said it yourself, that you would be more than happy to help. So help them by keeping the dogsoidlers off there backs.
Oh yea, I don't own and would not walk across the street to wizz on an inline if it where on fire. :blah: But I have frinds who would. :haha:
Wil

" History preserved, through knowledge shared."

 

[Dave Poss]

expense is relative to any sport or hobby. I was unloading my van after a rendezvous when my neighbor came over and looked at my gear. He started asking about prices for this and that...I told him. He let out a big puff of air and commented how expensive this "hobby" was. I informed him that it all doesn't come at once; it takes years to accumulate it by buying, tradeing or making it. He still said too much money for him.
Then he went back across the street and started washing his mega-thousand dollar bass boat that he uses 6 or 7 times a year!!!!! His boat and fishing stuff cost more than all my gear and van combined!
If a person has extra money, it comes down to where do they want to spend it. My wife and I last went to a movie when the first Star Wars came out and we seldom go out to dinner...that's us!
I understand feeding the family comes first, but everything else is a matter of choice. If a person says he can not afford a wood stocked traditional rifle and then goes and pays $60 Green fees to play golf for a day- It's not that he can't afford the gun, it's just he'd rather spend his money elsewhere. I have no problem with anyone who does the best they can...it's the ones who do as little as possible then whine and complain about how they are treated by "Traditionalist". I'm not pointing at anyone in this forum...just making an observation. eace:

 

Oh yea, I don't own and would not walk across the street to wizz on an inline if it where on fire. :blah: But I have frinds who would. :haha:

Wil,.... I'll be yore friend, and help put the "burn'n inline" fire out, 'course I always listen "both ways" several times 'fore cross'n the street,.... and be'ns I'm "blind", I cain't guarantee any degree of "accuracy" !! :shocking: :haha: :haha:

YMHS
rollingb

 

[roundball]

expense is relative to any sport or hobby. I was unloading my van after a rendezvous when my neighbor came over and looked at my gear. He started asking about prices for this and that...I told him. He let out a big puff of air and commented how expensive this "hobby" was. I informed him that it all doesn't come at once; it takes years to accumulate it by buying, tradeing or making it. He still said too much money for him.
Then he went back across the street and started washing his mega-thousand dollar bass boat that he uses 6 or 7 times a year!!!!! His boat and fishing stuff cost more than all my gear and van combined!
If a person has extra money, it comes down to where do they want to spend it. My wife and I last went to a movie when the first Star Wars came out and we seldom go out to dinner...that's us!
I understand feeding the family comes first, but everything else is a matter of choice. If a person says he can not afford a wood stocked traditional rifle and then goes and pays $60 Green fees to play golf for a day- It's not that he can't afford the gun, it's just he'd rather spend his money elsewhere. I have no problem with anyone who does the best they can...it's the ones who do as little as possible then whine and complain about how they are treated by "Traditionalist". I'm not pointing at anyone in this forum...just making an observation. eace:

That's been my experience[url] too...in[/url] my case, I've bought used TC Hawkens with clean hardware, maybe have to refinish the stock, but end up with excellent rifles at very reasonable costs...it's let me get into the game without costing a fortune, a little at a time over the years

 

[wil]

Rollingb
:crackup: I'll camp with you anywhere, just aim that thing in the right direction.
Wil

"History preserved, through knowledge shared."

 

[Ohio Joe]

It's refreshing to see some positive comments on traditional issues... :applause: :thumbsup:

 

[bshultz]

Most of my guns have wood stocks, but I have a CVA mountain stalker with a synthetic stock, and it is fun to shoot too, I just like to shoot no matter what the stock is made of. :imo: :m2c: :redthumb: :thumbsup:

 

[roundball]

It's refreshing to see some positive comments on traditional issues... :applause: :thumbsup:

I hope you weren't implying that I haven't been positive on traditional style ML's??

PS: a couple days ago I sold the scope off of the MK85 inline I've had cased, and just today, began exchanging Emails with a guy who's interested in buying the rifle itself...
:thumbsup: