Perfect Score At 1,000 Yards

[ResearchPress]

40 shots, 40 hits, 0 misses. At 1,000 yards - that's incredible.

That is NOT what 40 / 40 means.

They were shooting at a target based on those used in the 19thC in long range target rifle shooting. It has a square bull’s-eye (36” x 36”), which scores 4. Lee fired ten shots and placed them all in the 36” square bull’s-eye, for a score of 40 points, of a highest possible score of 40.

David

 

[ResearchPress]

A standard bull is just a hair over 8 MOA. 8" at 100 yards, about 4 at 50, 1 3/8" at 50'. I've tried shooting 50 yard targets at 100 yards before and they're too hard for me to see. What's more you would need a front sight blade smaller than the target. . . . . .
. . . . . I'm about 100% sure he's using some kind of a shaped bullet, because I doubt a RB could make it that far shot out of anything much smaller than a 2 bore.

What ‘standard target’ are you referring to? Targets used today for international long range shooting (and in the U.K.) have a bull close to 2 moa. (Or are you referring to the aiming mark). Rifles used have vernier adjustable aperture sights, generally with circular foresight elements, not post; although some in the U.K. I shoot with use the Goodwin bar foresight to good effect.

Cylindrical paper patched bullets weighing 530-550 grains are typically used and usually of a lead:tin alloy. Pre-weighed powder charges of 80-100 grains FFg are common, 1.5Fg is also popular.

See Long Range Muzzle Loading for more information on the sport.

David

 

[ResearchPress]

Wonder why he is wearing such a large glove.

The glove is a typical target shooting accessory. It protects the hand some as it is squeezed between sling and stock, and cushions transfer for pulse from the hand to the rifle.

David

 

[TFoley]

All long-range shooting is carried out with elongated bullets rather than a ball. In the US of A there is an adjunct of the sport called slug gun shooting - this too uses what is recognisably a rather large rifle bullet, made of lead, although sometimes slugs are made of two distinctly different metals.

This is a 450gr paper-patched bullet shot from a Gibbs or Metford rifle -

 

[Jim Wag]

I can shoot
My GPR
1000 yards
Easy

Jim in La Luz

 

[RLI]

Makes my best 196/200 with an M1-A looks like child's play in comparison

 

[Treestalker]

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Here's da man!....the photo is from another forum. I pretty sure these guys wipe between shots.

If I had this guy shooting at me, I'd be doing a lot of wiping, LOL!

 

[fleener]

The match is a 10 shot match with the best score you can get per shot is 4 points. You wont find a video on line. No one was recording. It took an hour to shoot each match.

The wind was about as good as it gets, very minor and fairly consistent, conditions were near perfect. I have heard Lee say several times over the years that days like that are simply a "trigger pulling contest".

Yes he wipes between shots, you have to. The rifle he used is a Ferris replica that he builds and sells. Ferris was an American builder of rifles and built a few long range ML's. Most original long range ML were built in Europe.

All powder charges are weight and stored in a vial prior to the matches. Bullets are cast or swaged and weight as well.

I believe Lee was using a paper patch bullet at this match. He uses both PP and grease grove bullets over the years.

Lee is one of the best long range ML shooters that competes in the World Matches and he had a great match. Sometimes things just work really well and for him it certainly did.

The match was 300 and 1,000 yards the first day supported. Day two was 600 and 1,000 unsuported. 10 shots for each match. Perfect score of 40 for each match, 160 points overall. You were able to use a support on day two to get on paper, once on paper no support could be used.

Lee shot a 150 points over the 4 matches. IMO dropping only 10 points over 4 matches is the most impressive.

Fleener

 

[TFoley]

Mr Fleener, you wrote - 'Most original long range ML were built in Europe'.

Apart from the American Mr Ferris, can you name any country other than the UK that built long-range target rifles of this format?

 

[fleener]

This match included BPCR shooters to replicate the original Creedmoor matches in the 1800's.

One of the BPCR rifle shooters scored a 149 2x and one a 148 11X. Lee shot a 150 2x.

Also keep in mind that the ML shooters have to get up and down after each shot and we take much longer to shoot then the BPCR shooters.

This is mentioned as reference and not to get into a BPCR discussion.

Fleener

 

[Col. Batguano]

Yes I was referring to the size of the black aiming bull, not the size of the 10 ring or X ring The rings are placed at different places depending on the range. For instance, on an AR-1 10m air rifle target, the edge of the black is a 3. On the 50'A-17 target it's a 5. On the 100 yard target it's a 7. 200 yards is a 9.

 

[MAPMFF]

1000 yards.

When I shoot, folks at the range behind their big modern guns always tend to make jokes about "them ol' smoke poles couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if you were inside of it" Now maybe it's my poor shooting helping them come to that conclusion...But man I love seeing this old technology in the hands of someone who knows what their doing. Incredible.

 

[towgunner11h]

And he probably did it with one eye closed!

And his thumb around the wrist of the stock.

 

[Widows Son]

The match is a 10 shot match with the best score you can get per shot is 4 points. You wont find a video on line. No one was recording. It took an hour to shoot each match.

The wind was about as good as it gets, very minor and fairly consistent, conditions were near perfect. I have heard Lee say several times over the years that days like that are simply a "trigger pulling contest".

Yes he wipes between shots, you have to. The rifle he used is a Ferris replica that he builds and sells. Ferris was an American builder of rifles and built a few long range ML's. Most original long range ML were built in Europe.

All powder charges are weight and stored in a vial prior to the matches. Bullets are cast or swaged and weight as well.

I believe Lee was using a paper patch bullet at this match. He uses both PP and grease grove bullets over the years.

Lee is one of the best long range ML shooters that competes in the World Matches and he had a great match. Sometimes things just work really well and for him it certainly did.

The match was 300 and 1,000 yards the first day supported. Day two was 600 and 1,000 unsuported. 10 shots for each match. Perfect score of 40 for each match, 160 points overall. You were able to use a support on day two to get on paper, once on paper no support could be used.

Lee shot a 150 points over the 4 matches. IMO dropping only 10 points over 4 matches is the most impressive.

Fleener

Thank you for your explaining this. This is a sport I hope to to participate in and I like the clear way that you wrote it.

 

[Artificer]

Makes my best 196/200 with an M1-A looks like child's play in comparison

With respect, if you didn't drop a round outside the 8 ring, that's only a 30" circle at 1,000 yards, not a 36" square.

Still, I agree with you the new record is extremely fine long range shooting.

Gus

 

[RLI]

With respect, if you didn't drop a round outside the 8 ring, that's only a 30" circle at 1,000 yards, not a 36" square.

Still, I agree with you the new record is extremely fine long range shooting.

Gus

Yeah but the bullet is travelling a whole lot faster. A HPBT at that. And didn't have to get out of position between shots either. Doing that with a muzzle-loader is far more impressive

 

[Artificer]

Yeah but the bullet is travelling a whole lot faster. A HPBT at that. And didn't have to get out of position between shots either. Doing that with a muzzle-loader is far more impressive

Good point on having to get in and out of position on each shot!

Gus

 

[tnlonghunter]

That is NOT what 40 / 40 means.

They were shooting at a target based on those used in the 19thC in long range target rifle shooting. It has a square bull’s-eye (36” x 36”), which scores 4. Lee fired ten shots and placed them all in the 36” square bull’s-eye, for a score of 40 points, of a highest possible score of 40.

David

My bad. Still great shooting.

 

[Idaho Ron]

This rifle has a economy soule sight but the front sight is the same as he shot. It's a Ferriss adjustable globe. When he talked to me he told me exactly what to use right down to the Hadley eye cup.

 

[Idaholewis]

This rifle has a economy soule sight but the front sight is the same as he shot. It's a Ferriss adjustable globe. When he talked to me he told me exactly what to use right down to the Hadley eye cup.

Are you getting Old timers Ron? I thought i was the one that helped you set your Rifle up?

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