sick of that jackass who writes for NMLRA

[ApprenticeBuilder]

Kinda reminds me of those fools that refuse to vote and still think that they actually have a right to voice an opinion (B&%$h).

Alot like a fart in the breeze :yakyak:

 

[Tumblernotch]

Being a traditional ML enthusiast but not a member of the NMLRA is like being a gun owner but not a member of the NRA. Where else are you going to go for live shooting events, historical interest and up to date hunting information?

Old Salt

I've been shooting BP for 35 years and have never joined the NMLRA. I wanted to years ago, but didn't have the money to go to the events at Friendship and what was the point in paying the dues just to get the magazine, especially when I could get it from members when they were through with it? In recent years, I have given thought to joining and going to some of the shoots, but other club members who belong have told me that the quality of the matches are not what they used to be and some of them have thought of quitting.

I've known several NMLRA members, including Bill Large, one of the founders. There are some fine people in that organization and I applaud what that group has done for BP shooting. In fact, that group of pioneers back in the 20's and 30's probably did more than anyone to keep it alive and to educate those of us who came along later. That being said, from what I've seen of more recent issues of their magazine and from comments, not only here but from club members who subscribe to MB and attend their shoots, I feel that I can enjoy my shooting just fine on my own. I have a local club to shoot at, I can shoot on my own property, I go to shoots at other clubs both here and in neighboring states, my state DNR puts out plenty of info concerning ML hunting regs, I can get involved in numerous living history events (I re-enacted for 20 years), in fact, I have access to more things to do involving BP shooting than I can possibly do.

I don't hold any grudges or anything else against the NMLRA and I wish it the best, as long as it continues to promote what it was created for. But I think I can keep plugging along without it and I'm sure they can manage without me. :grin:

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Russ I agree about skimming over the inline articles,I mosty do unless... Like the one in question is so slanted and opionated slamming a state trying to opease hunters NOT! gun manufactures that it's sickened me.
I agree we all need to write the NMLRA and give em a bitchin' out.

I'm amazed that you have five pages of a heated discussion based on your distorted interpretation or more probably false testimony of the original article. WOW!

Did anyone else read the article?

It's easy to sit back and criticise the accomplishments or decisions of a publication.

When you have contributed as much as the NMLRA to the preservation of traditonal muzzleloading then maybe you will be worthy to offer criticism.

The NMLRA is celebrating 75 years of continued contribution to traditional ML. I'm sure they will endure the invention of modern ML as well as your twisted interpretations of one author. As I am sure they will continue to be the best most active traditional ML association in the USA.

Old Salt

Please inform us of the truth then.
I read the article three times, twice, than I pulled it out of the wood stove to get AL's last name to write a complaint to the NMLRA.
I really can't find anything positive he wrote about Idaho's ruling because he is only a scoped inline hunter.
And his article this month with his wife's pic is more of the same promoting scoped inline hunting during a traditional season.
:bull:

 

[Old Salt]

Greenmountainboy,

One page explaining the need to check local ML hunting rules vs 72 pages filled with traditional events, history, adds, and how to articles. That's the truth in the July issue.

One page about hunting with his wife and some common sense reasons we can enjoy the hunt even if the take is a medium doe vs 72 pages filled with traditional events, adds, and how to articles. That's the truth in the Aug issue.

Open any page of Muzzle Blasts and you'll find tradition. You'll have to search for the one page that touches on modern ML hunting. That's the truth of the majority of issues I recieve in a year.

Maybe it's different in other states but when I go to a NMLRA function in PA it's all tradition.

Sorry I don't agree with the perception that the NMLRA has sold out to modern ML. I don't see it in the magazine, I don't see it in the BOD, and I don't see it in the list of events.

Local clubs are great, and I am all for promoting traditonal shooting events in your local area.

But if you understand the value of a national organization that fully supports your traditional ML interest I don't see a stronger choice than the NMLRA.

Salt

 

[akapennypincher]

IDEA if you do not like what you see in Muzzle Blast.

Speak with you MONEY, and Drop your NMLRA Membership.

If 500-700 member did that in one Month maybe the NMLRA BOD Member would ask why.

 

[44-henry]

This debate over not supporting the NMLRA is kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Doing damage to one of the main organizations devoted to protecting your rights doesn't make much sense in my opinion. Keep it up and fifty years from now nobody in this country will own guns and the luxury of sitting around bickering about the differences between inlines and traditional muzzleloaders will be a distant pleaseant memory.

 

[tg]

The NMLRA has no lobbying power to help save the right to wipe ones own Arss let alone doing anything to maintain gun ownership rights, many have fallen from the ranks of the publication due to the direction it chose to take, could/should they have spoken out back when to stop this before it got a good start? probably but like many state game regs it got out of hand before the problem was recognized and it was to late. you like the org or you don't there is no higher ground on either front, it either floats your boat or not.Many would like to see something with the traditional ML being the main/only focus, Muzzleloader mag was a good choice, I haven't looked at an issue since I saw some advertisments
I found objectionable in the traditional scope of things but a mag has to get sponders where thsy can, and I am certain that a truely Traditional focused Mag would draw a small readership, if you widen the scope of topic matter to equal this forum the subscriptions would increase but at the expense of not being a truely traditional publication
a catch 22, damned if you do and damned don't situation as I see it.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

The NMLRA has no lobbying power to help save the right to wipe ones own Arss let alone doing anything to maintain gun ownership rights, many have fallen from the ranks of the publication due to the direction it chose to take,

Exactly,
The NRA they ain't
And the only reason it went to the dark side is money, money ,money.
I realy enjoy Muzzleloader and put up with Muzzleblast only because even tho they don't do a dang thing to further the west's muzzleloading and to protect our 2nd amendment rights, they do support the kids pure and simple.
And old salt you are still missing the point.
AL SLAMED IDAHO FOR THEIR RULING BECAUSE HE IS A ADVICATE FOR SCOPED INLINE HUNTING DURING A TRADITIONAL SEASON!!!
Now do you understand.

 

[Mulebrain]

What really sucks about this, is that if your a member of the NMLRA, you are supporting what you cannot stand through your membership dues :cursing:

I refuse to support anything that is not with me 100%.

They got really big at one point, and when member ship fell they resorted to sleeping with the enemy to make up the shortfall.

:barf:

 

[Zonie]

Well, Greenmtnboy, I think it's time to let all of the other folks see this slamming of Idaho.
Quoting from Al Raychard's article in the July, 2008 issue on page 39 he says:

"Keeping up with changes in the muzzleloading world has been a daunting challenge in recent years. When it comes to state muzzleloading hunting regulations we might soon need a law degree to figure them all out. In some states magnifying scopes are not allowed, 209 primers might be prohibited, projectiles and propellants must be a certain type, and only certain types of ignition systems are legal. One of the first things I do while planning a hunting trip is to study a state's muzzleloading regulations and get to know them well because they vary so much from state to state.

This will be particularly true this year since several states have made changes in their regulations that govern what can and cannot be used, or what constitutes a legal firearm during the respective muzzleloading seasons.

In January, Idaho Fish and Game Commissioners dropped the provision that muzzleloaders have an extended pivoting hammer during the state's muzzleloading-only hunting seasons. In essence, this means in-lines will now be considered legal firearms, which reverses last year's controversial decisions that prohibited their use. Increasingly, Idaho muzzleloading hunters have been in favor of updating the state's muzzleloader regulations. Public comments taken by the Commissioners prior to the rule change found far more favored allowing in-lines than those opposed.

The Commissioners did not back off from other muzzleloader restrictions, however, which are also controversial in some quarters, and some enthusiasts would also like to see them changed, but at present the Commissioners are sticking to their guns and keeping muzzleloader hunting in the state a short-range affair. As a consequence, the use of scopes, pellets, sabots and jacketed projectiles, 209 primers and priming mechanisms other than flint, percussion cap or musket cap will still be prohibited during muzzleloader hunts. For more information visit the Idaho Fish and Game web site at www.fishandgame.idaho.gov or telephone 208-334-3700.

Starting this December muzzleloader hunters in Nebraska will be able to equip their rifles with magnifying scopes. Prior to the ruling only scopes of 1X power were legal. The new rule change is perhaps the most significant change to the states muzzleloading regulations sence the season was first introduced in 1989. About 16,000 people hunt with muzzleloaders in Nebraska, and the allowing of scopes will undoubtedly draw more interest. For more information visit www.npgc.state.ne.us or telephone 402-471-0641. And following a 4-3 vote in March by Kansas Park and Wildlife Commission, muzzleloader hunters in Kansas will be able to use scopes during that states early muzzleloading season. Scopes were already legal on muzzleloaders during the general firearms season. For more information visit www.kdwp.ks.us , or telephone 620-672-5911.

And in Colarado, the Division of Wildlife in February passed regulations that specifically prohibit the use of muzzleloaders with "electronic" ignition systems during muzzleloader seasons. For more information visit www.wildlife.state.co.us."

The article went on to discuss some new Gun Care Products.

I for one do not see any slamming in this article. There are some statements of facts and his comment that some of the changes are controversial (which this post proves to be all too true.)

If anything beyond an alert to the need to gather information prior to hunting is in this article it is the need for all of the Traditional Hunters and shooters to get off their butts and go to these Commission Meetings and MAKE YOUR OPINIONS KNOWN LOUD AND CLEARLY.
Only by doing this can we begin to keep these hunts as they were originally intended.

 

[Old Salt]

The NMLRA has no lobbying power to help save the right to wipe ones own Arss let alone doing anything to maintain gun ownership rights, many have fallen from the ranks of the publication due to the direction it chose to take,

Exactly,
The NRA they ain't
And the only reason it went to the dark side is money, money ,money.
I realy enjoy Muzzleloader and put up with Muzzleblast only because even tho they don't do a dang thing to further the west's muzzleloading and to protect our 2nd amendment rights, they do support the kids pure and simple.
And old salt you are still missing the point.
AL SLAMED IDAHO FOR THEIR RULING BECAUSE HE IS A ADVICATE FOR SCOPED INLINE HUNTING DURING A TRADITIONAL SEASON!!!
Now do you understand.

So you're angry with Al? :wink:

I'm not saying the NMLRA has the clout of the NRA.

But over the years I've watched these threads that bash the NMLRA because they may have stumbled when modern MLs came into the market place.

Only the NMLRA BOD at that time can fully understand how the decisions were made and look back to see where better a better course of action might have been taken. I don't imagine it was an easy process.

I do know what I see in the NMLRA today. I see the strongest ML association in the USA with a mission statement and BOD that works to ensure the continuation of traditional ML in the field and at the range.

Works towards the future.

If you believe throwing away 75 years of history, effort and accomplishment is the best long term goal for the sport then you see things in a different light then I do.

Salt

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

My N.M.L.R.A. membership is due for renewal in a few months and I will renew it. The organisation is still the best representatve of my views that I know of. Many if not most of the members of the Board of Directors are traditional muzzleloaders and might well be responsive to a strong letter writing campaign. It's worth the price of a stamp to find out.

 

[jethro224]

:applause:

Hey, Zonie gets the same magazine as I do. :grin:

 

[ol vern]

My N.M.L.R.A. membership is due for renewal in a few months and I will renew it. The organisation is still the best representatve of my views that I know of. Many if not most of the members of the Board of Directors are traditional muzzleloaders and might well be responsive to a strong letter writing campaign. It's worth the price of a stamp to find out.

I agree just renewed my membership Then I went one better. Talked to my local libary about Muzzle Blast mag They said they would display the mag if someone would pay for a subscription. I am now a proud sponsor of Muzzle Blast mag at the
libary. I figger the sport can not grow if pepole
don't know it exist

 

[Tumblernotch]

Mr. Johnson I wasn't aware that I was debating about or damaging the NMLRA in any way. I just stated my situation. I have a God given right to join or not join any organization I choose, and for now I choose not to. I live too far away to make repeated trips to Friendship to shoot, though I would like to, and I can't see paying club dues for a magazine. Like I said before, I have naught against the NMLRA and have applauded what it has done for BP shooting over the years. I support my local club which is a charter member and I support other local clubs when I can.

As for guns being gone within the next 50 years, I wish I was as optimistic as you. I fear it will be a lot sooner than that. Hopefully, I'll be dead by then or too old to care.

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

:applause:

Hey, Zonie gets the same magazine as I do. :grin:

:hmm:
Same one I recieved as well, maybe "they" got ahold of the other guys and changed it.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

which reverses last year's controversial decisions that prohibited their use.

The Commissioners did not back off from other muzzleloader restrictions, however, which are also controversial in some quarters, and some enthusiasts would also like to see them changed, but at present the Commissioners are sticking to their guns and keeping muzzleloader hunting in the state A SHORT RANGE AFFAIR As a consequence, the use of scopes, pellets, sabots and jacketed projectiles, 209 primers and priming mechanisms other than flint, percussion cap or musket cap will still be prohibited during muzzleloader hunts. For more information visit the Idaho Fish and Game web site at www.fishandgame.idaho.gov or telephone

Well explain to me than what was so contraversal about banning scoped inlines during a traditional season.
It was only contraversal to Al and all the Toby waaabes.
And if you don't see his opinion forced upon us the paying customers and supporters of a traditional way than you have been watching to much fox news and are numb to propaganda.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

The NMLRA has no lobbying power to help save the right to wipe ones own Arss let alone doing anything to maintain gun ownership rights, many have fallen from the ranks of the publication due to the direction it chose to take,

Exactly,
The NRA they ain't
And the only reason it went to the dark side is money, money ,money.
I realy enjoy Muzzleloader and put up with Muzzleblast only because even tho they don't do a dang thing to further the west's muzzleloading and to protect our 2nd amendment rights, they do support the kids pure and simple.
And old salt you are still missing the point.
AL SLAMED IDAHO FOR THEIR RULING BECAUSE HE IS A ADVICATE FOR SCOPED INLINE HUNTING DURING A TRADITIONAL SEASON!!!
Now do you understand.

So you're angry with Al? :wink:

I'm not saying the NMLRA has the clout of the NRA.

But over the years I've watched these threads that bash the NMLRA because they may have stumbled when modern MLs came into the market place.

Only the NMLRA BOD at that time can fully understand how the decisions were made and look back to see where better a better course of action might have been taken. I don't imagine it was an easy process.

I do know what I see in the NMLRA today. I see the strongest ML association in the USA with a mission statement and BOD that works to ensure the continuation of traditional ML in the field and at the range.

Works towards the future.

If you believe throwing away 75 years of history, effort and accomplishment is the best long term goal for the sport then you see things in a different light then I do.

Salt

I'll be interested in the NMLRA's opinion when people really start beleving that PRB's are not effective on big game like Toby and all the pro inline hunters are.
I will always support the NMLRA until they become such sell outs that they no longer back PRB's as an effective hunting tool.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

:applause:

Hey, Zonie gets the same magazine as I do. :grin:

:hmm:
Same one I recieved as well, maybe "they" got ahold of the other guys and changed it.

And it seems as if neather one of "you" can read between the lines.

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

Look,
I am a CHARTER MEMBER of Conspiricy Theorists of America :shocked2: , I un-plugged my television ( no cable, no antenna, and no satellite ) 15yrs ago, and I just cannot find the dastardly overthrow-em undertones in that article.

I see a writer warning fellow hunters that they had better check a states requirements before applying for hunting there, meybe you should contribute some articles for consideration to be published and then we can argue over which articles should have been published. :hmm: