sick of that jackass who writes for NMLRA

[Claude Mathis]

I can see how someone reading this article would think it was "neutral" and not necessarily "pro traditional". That's good if you're reporting the weather, but not if your audience is pro-tradition. The author mentions a couple times about the regulations being "controversial", rather than taking a traditional bias. I guess that's seen as not promoting tradition, but rather telling both traditional and modern shooters to offer their input. I know, unbiased is good, if your audience is the general public and not a niche market looking for support.

In essence, this means in-lines will now be considered legal firearms, which reverses last year's controversial decisions that prohibited their use.

I can see how readers in a traditional organization would like to have heard the author say something about how the legalization of in-lines was a bad thing rather than presenting it as he did.

On the other hand Zonie, your comment is supportive of tradition and would be welcomed by the traditional readers.

... the need for all of the Traditional Hunters and shooters to get off their butts and go to these Commission Meetings and MAKE YOUR OPINIONS KNOWN LOUD AND CLEARLY.
Only by doing this can we begin to keep these hunts as they were originally intended.

Perhaps what the author didn't say is what caught some people's attention?

 

[akapennypincher]

There have been 230+ Posts to this thread, Another 2400 + Looks at this THREAD, and the arguments still continue.

If you people do not like the CONTENT of Muzzle Blast Magazine, let the NMLRA know when they send you a Membership Renewal Form.

Return the form with a letter stating you disapproval of what Muzzle Blast has become, and do not send in your renewal MONEY!!!!!

Muzzle Blast Editor (ERIC) lives in the Northeast, and shall we say is an absentee Editor, the Assistant Editor, or Editorial Assistant (MZ. TERRI) is Friendship Staff with NO BACK GROUND in Journalism, as here Resume list working in the families Print Shop, and being STAFF at Pizza Hut.

I personally feel the NMLRA has sold out to the Inline companies who buy big ads in Muzzle Blast, as many of the Traditional Muzzleloading builder, suppliers, and Kits,-Part Houses have gone under.

Also Muzzle Blast is very very repetitive, and is very boring. I had 4 or 5 of last years issues, and I went threw them cover to cover, and it was like watching a movie for the 10th. or 12th. time.

The President's always writes a column that is like a High School Basketball, or Football Coach trying to motivate a TEAM with NO WINS in many SEASON, to go out and win one. Nothing ever changes, it is just words on papers.

Now if you live close enough to Friendship Indiana, and can use the Range, and Camping Facilities a lot during the year. Than NMLRA Membership make sense.

If you do not live close to Friendship about your only NMLRA Benefit is a NON NEWS STAND QUALITY MAGAZINE.

Like I said if you are unhappy with Muzzle Blast, VOTE with you Membership Dollars.

Personally I think there is MORE, and Better INFORMATION on this Forum than in 10 years worth of Muzzle Blasts, unless you need to know who won what $3.50 Shooting Medal at Friendship. :blah:

 

[roundball]

Very well put...and FWIW, a few years ago I did just as you suggested after having been a member for 3 years...sent a very factual professional memo to them, expressing concerns over:

Their watering down of the original mission statement of the 1933 charter;

Shifting from a pure traditional focus to one of modern muzzleloaders as well;

Allowing game taken using long range scope sighted modern muzzleloaders to be entered into the Longhunters Record Book;

The magazine having such repetitive content, primarily centered around friendship and internal politics, etc, catering to modern muzzleloaders.

Their continued lack of any national lobbying organization or national leadership activities similar to what the NRA does;

Their their lack of any concerted effort to help the traditional hunters maintain traditional hunting seasons in the various states, catering to modern muzzleloaders;

I got a memo back from the BOD which I scanned and posted here. It was two pages of the most absurd defensive statements...ie: the NMLRA sees absolutely no difference between a traditional ML and a modern i-line...they are both muzzleloaders, etc...just gobbly-g o o k that any high school kid would have seen through.

I responded point by point, thanked them for their time, announced that I would no longer subsidize a shooting range halfway across the country, and would not be renewing my membership.
I am none the worse off for that decision and a couple hundred dollars richer.

 

[tg]

"I got a memo back from the BOD which I scanned and posted here. It was two pages of the most absurd defensive statements...ie: the NMLRA sees absolutely no difference between a traditional ML and a modern i-line...they are both muzzleloaders,"

I recall your posting of their response, the statement above is absolutely unacceptable from an org devoted to keep the tradition alive, trying to debate the modern/traditional thing reminds me a lot of the many times I have tried to express the need for and right to trap amd hunt to the PETA folks and others of a like mind during doing Scouts, school or fair exhibits with traps and ML guns as part of the presentation.
this issue is as good of a case of conservative vs liberal as I have ever seen.

 

[akapennypincher]

Personally I think there is MORE, and Better INFORMATION on this Forum than in 10 years worth of Muzzle Blasts, unless you need to know who won what $3.50 Shooting Medal at Friendship.
:rotf:

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Personally I think there is MORE, and Better INFORMATION on this Forum than in 10 years worth of Muzzle Blasts, unless you need to know who won what $3.50 Shooting Medal at Friendship.
:rotf:

Amen!! :bow:
I know I got my knickers in a twist but here in CO we are a breath away from our DOW bending to the inliners and allowing scopes :bull:
When I first started muzzleloading here it was exposed hammer etc...
Then along came inlines and a lot of money to change a primitive season which the DOW greedly excepted.
Now it is nolonger a draw season with just a few diehards in the woods but a flood of folks who learned how to operate a brand new gun "just good enough"
now our rate of wounded animals during muzzleloading season is huge.
And it seems as if the general consensis amoung the ingnorant is that PRB hunters are to blame.
I fight this :bull: all the time.
I have a hand full of powerbelts and saboted bullets I carry around to show how many wounded animals I have found dead or almost dead. Shot by careless hunters who think inlines are not a
"SHORT RANGE AFFAIR"
Yup I'm a bit raw on the subject.

 

[NHmsj]

Perhaps the NMLRA might benefit receiving a link to this thread? :hmm:

msj

 

[Claude Mathis]

Perhaps the NMLRA might benefit receiving a link to this thread? :hmm:

The members of the forum have been debating the pros and cons of the NMLRA for years. I'm sure the Board of the NMLRA has been made aware of the discussions. I think we even have a couple officers from the NMLRA Board here.

 

[jethro224]

Perhaps the NMLRA might benefit receiving a link to this thread? :hmm:

The members of the forum have been debating the pros and cons of the NMLRA for years. I'm sure the Board of the NMLRA has been made aware of the discussions. I think we even have a couple officers from the NMLRA Board here.

You'd think they would join in the discussion when the subject comes up. :hmm: I, for one, would sure like to see that.

 

[roundball]

Probably better they don't...there's some here who would probably cross the line and get ugly with them...

 

[FishDFly]

In all honesty, if you were on the BOD of the NMLRA, would you join into a discussion here as severly as the organization is beat up on?

RDE

 

[Claude Mathis]

Probably better they don't...there's some here who would probably cross the line and get ugly with them...

I agree. Some people become very offensive when they are able to hide behind the anonymity of a forum.

 

[tg]

"now our rate of wounded animals during muzzleloading season is huge.
And it seems as if the general consensis amoung the ingnorant is that PRB hunters are to blame."

I am certain has you given the folks responsible for the wounded animals a conical to use the results would have been the same, whatever you throw at an animal it has to hit the right place.The claim PRB = wounded animals is so much BS it is pathetic, it is as bad as "guns kill people", giving no accountability to the one pulling the trigger.

 

[jethro224]

In all honesty, if you were on the BOD of the NMLRA, would you join into a discussion here as severly as the organization is beat up on?

RDE

In all honesty, HELL YEAH!

Personally, I can't figger why anyone who would not stand up and represent/defend the organization that elected them would even be on a BOD. If they don't have the intestinal fortitude to do that then they should just resign.

This forum is huge! An awesome, free tool! The BOD should use it to communicate with current/ex/potential NMLRA members.

 

[ApprenticeBuilder]

The problem with that is the trolls, those morons that cannot stay on topic and seem to thrive on turning a perfectally useable thread into a steaming pile of s*^t.

 

[Claude Mathis]

The problem with that is the trolls, those morons that cannot stay on topic and seem to thrive on turning a perfectally useable thread into a steaming pile of s*^t.

You noticed? :wink:

I can set up a "moderated" forum. That is, a forum where the posts are pre-approved before they are made public. It's a lot more work for the Moderators, but it does keep things on track. People do get upset when their posts are not published, but that's to be expected.

This can also be done with an individual member's posts anywhere in the Forum.

These are both powerful tools that can be used when you have members who just can't help themselves.

 

[akapennypincher]

In all honesty, HELL YEAH!

Personally, I can't figger why anyone who would not stand up and represent/defend the organization that elected them would even be on a BOD. If they don't have the intestinal fortitude to do that then they should just resign.

Well I will agree with you comments, as if you are a NMLRA Director Elected by the Membership, there is a responsibility to be a spokes person for the NMLRA be it on a public forum, or at a shooting event.

Part of that responsibility is to address questions about the Organization you were elected to the Groups BOD by the Membership of the Organization. Be you President of the NMLRA, or one of the other 29 Memberss of the BOD.

Sadly most of the BOD hides out, and reads, but never replies to much about the NMLRA.

They for the most part are almost 100% reachable by e-mail off this Link, so e-mail one of the BOD or all of the BOD and see if they reply, pretent the e-mail never came, hide out and play silent.

One of their directed does post on another ML Forum, and got out of line with me several months ago IMHO when he posted this,

” I have never met the man nor talked to him. I did offer to go tap dancing in the dessert with him last February while I was at the WNS. He told me what day where he would be and when. I was there at that time, he was not. He did state to me that he doesn't tap dance. The kind of tap dancing I had in mind would have had nothing to do with my feet! “

I was where I said I would be, he was a no show, but I think that a NMLRA Director should use more common sense that to make a comment like that on a public forum.:nono:

If anyone would like the link to the comments or the complete comment PM me as I have it saved.[/color] :thumbsup:

 

[jethro224]

The problem with that is the trolls, those morons that cannot stay on topic and seem to thrive on turning a perfectally useable thread into a steaming pile of s*^t.

Some of those can be fun to argue with. :wink: Others are good for a laugh sometimes. Then there is always the ignore option...

 

[jethro224]

pennypincher,

Exactly! I don't recall a single thread in the last 3 years where any of the directors spoke up on behalf of the NMLRA. :hmm:
It's a shame.

I agree that your quote from the other forum is not a proper way for a director to post on a public forum.

 

[akapennypincher]

pennypincher,

Exactly! I don't recall a single thread in the last 3 years where any of the directors spoke up on behalf of the NMLRA. :hmm:
It's a shame.

I agree that your quote from the other forum is not a proper way for a director to post on a public forum.

:shake: The NMLRA Leadership has a long history of being silent, the last President of the NMLRA who had the B***S to speak openly and honest about the NMLRA and it problem was a gentleman from Illinois Chuck Hearn. The last three are shall we say silent except for their writing in the Muzzle Blast.

There is an ATTITUDE among NMLRA Director if we the muzzle Loading Shooter are not NMLRA Member we are not support the Sport, I saw B***S***, as they NMLRA IMHO is a Narrowed Focus Muzzle Loading Shooter, Target Shooting club that has the word Nation in it name only, they are far from National and one only look at where the majority of the Directors live, to realized it is just a regional group IMHO.