The Dutch Shoultz Shooting System is awesome

[Grumpa]

After years of mulling it over thinking I could just experiment long enough and figure things out on my own, I just have to order the system and be done with it.

You will not be disappointed.

 

[Grumpa]

The point that I have tried to get across and have completely failed is in how my name is spelled....Dutch SChoultz

I checked back, and I have been guilty of the same!

I will now write out the correct spelling 100 times - as I used to have to do in grade school when I misbehaved. ( And, I will not hold 3 pencils between my fingers.) :wink:

 

[Jim C]

Hi HJ.....That would be a Lyman cap lock .50 cal Great Plains Rifle. I've always been able to shoot 5 shot one hole groups with it at 30 yds or even 35 on a real good day, but never at 50, but I'm still workin' on it. I'll get there. Looks like Necchi above has mastered the one hole 5 shot group at 50 yds, and off hand to boot! My hat is off to him. :bow: I shot mine off of the bench. Doubt if I'll ever make one off hand, my vision is just not that good, but I ain't gonna quit tryin' though :grin:

 

[Jim C]

Ballistol has been around since 1904. Don't know if the recipe has ever been changed in all those yrs. It is a little pricey but a 16 oz can of the liquid variety will last a long long time. I used one oz to make 5 different test batches according to Dutch's system. What is left of that alone, once I add more water to it, will make enough solution for wiping between shots to last for yrs and i still have 15 ozs left to make patch lube with that'll probably last longer than me. Not tryin' to throw a sales pitch here, just giving you an indication of how long it will last :wink:

 

[Don Steele]

I just choke down the objection when I have to order Ballistol because it works so well. I'd like to find a locally available option, but other than generic references to "water-soluble oil", etc....nobody has offered up a specific product that they have substituted for Ballistol and got the same results.
I have been using Dutch's system for a while now..Love it. My flintlock rifle is a T/C Hawken with a Green Mtn. "drop-in" bbl. I improved the sights and find that a tight combination, off the bench at 50 yds, produces "ragged-one-hole" groups quite easily even with my very bad 65 yr old eyes.
I shoot copies of the multi-bull target Dutch sends and my goal is the elusive "single caliber" hole...i.e.: 5 shots in a group that measures .500 from my 50 caliber rifle.
The folks that amuse me are those who have looked at Dutch's system and commented something like "If you do everything he says, you gotta shoot too much, I'm not going to do all that shooting, just trying to find better groups". When I'm done chuckling, I usually ask: "Sooo...you just bought that rifle to look at...???"
Folks like that are probably still shooting the first pound of powder they ever bought.

 

[Billnpatti]

What is this system?

www.blackpowderrifleaccuracy.com

 

[Billnpatti]

My main problem with this system is getting the Ballistol - none available locally, and $17 + shipping thru amazon.

Plus I would like to have something more common that I can easily get locally just in case I can't order it anymore, or they change their formulation.

Any ideas ???

Send Dutch a PM and ask him. He first used a water soluble oil before going to Ballistol. He will tell you what good alternative he recommends.

 

[Jim C]

Agreed. Although a little pricey a 16 oz can of the liquid form is good for many thousands of shots. Both as a patch lube and for wiping between shots.

Also agreed. If a pound of powder lasts someone a few yrs then the absolute best accuracy that their rifle(s) are capable of producing can't be of too much concern to begin with. I love to shoot, and no matter what it is that I am shooting, the utmost accuracy that I can possibly wring out of it is the most rewarding and fun part of the whole thing imo. Although I'm still chasing that elusive 50 yd 5 shot one hole group I am far closer to achieving that goal now with the use of the Dutch system and Ballistol than I have ever been before. I have no doubt that I'll get there.

 

[necchi]

My main problem with this system is getting the Ballistol,,
,,Any ideas ???

NAPA Soluble Cutting and Grinding Oil,,#765-1526,,
I started the System using this stuff and it works just fine,,
The only problem I found was longevity of the treated fabric.
The consensus is NAPA uses different suppliers nation wide to deliver this stuff locally and the formula varies slightly.
Making up the solutions and treating fabric as-per the system works,, but when you find the right combo and make a stock pile,, it seemed as the treated patch material just wasn't working 3-4 weeks later.
If I made smaller/fresh batches every few weeks things worked fine.
So in a pinch the NAPA 765-1526 works OK for experimenting, load development and actual function,, It's just not the cream of the crop like Ballistol :wink:

 

[Dr5x]

Nechhi,
The NAPA Cutting & Grinding Oil worked very well for quite a few years and then the complaints began to come in.
So many complaints that I discontinued recommending it..
What you are using apparently continues to dry out thus giving the limited life.

Whatever works.

Dutch

 

[RonRC]

After all this talk about Mr. Schoultz's system, I went back to my copy to read it again.
As they say in Colorado about some other items: "This is some good stuff, man!" :grin:
I am going to use it this summer with at least one of my rifles.
Thank you, Mr. Schoultz!
Ron

 

[necchi]

The NAPA Cutting & Grinding Oil worked very well for quite a few years and then the complaints began to come in.
So many complaints that I discontinued recommending it..

Yep, I remember that time and struggled myself finding Ballistol. That was back in the day before "Forum's" all we had was "The Mailing List", but it was a long and shared conversation.
IIRC, I contacted Ballistol and they sent me a 2oz sample. I along with several others began pressuring our local shop Track of the Wolf to carry the stuff, it took Dave awhile but he finally did.
The NAPA stuff can still work in a pinch,, it's just the prep work,, mixing and drying, but that only takes a little time with the drying being the longest,, overnight,, such a dickens, :wink:

 

[Dewey]

I've given up (in?) and ordered Ballistol from TOW (needed some flints too.).

Will give it a try ....

 

[ohio ramrod]

Another substitute is olive oil and alcohol mix. The alcohol will evaporate quickly. The key to the dry patch system is to get a small amount of lube evenly distributed. :idunno:

 

[swathdiver]

The only problem I found was longevity of the treated fabric.

I treated my patch material per The System which included Ballistol and put them in sealed jars where they stayed for nearly six months because of illness. They were perfect on range day and still are now several months later while recovering yet again.

The Ballistol is worth it, I'm a convert who came to it kicking and screaming.

 

[Dr5x]

Swathdiver,
As I always used real old time water soluble oil my "longevity" experience was as follows.
I would take one shot of the WS OIL and 7 shots of water.
(7 to 1) was what worked best for my two .45 rifles) and soaked as many strips of denim til true solution was all used up.
Dried them according to my method and ended up with a hell of a lot of patching strips which I put in air tight containers. These lasted me over a year or so as I was spending 3 or more days a week at the range , weather permitting.>
Even at the very last strip, I noticed no falling off of performance.

Your experience may vary. I never used Ballistol because my eyes let me down. I first heard of Ballistol's use as a lubricant in a letter I received from a subscriber, which I have posted on my web site as the "MustRead" letter.

Dutch SChoultz

 

[Dr5x]

Ohio Ramrod,
Olive Oil and alcohol is interesting. I wold fear that the Olive oil might go rancid. I don't Know if it would.
I did toy with the idea of alcohol and 30 weight motor oil but wondered what effect the alcohol would have on the oil.

Never got around to it and then the eyes went so my experiments ended.

If you are have as good results with O Oil and Gin , let me know. As you say, the idea is to get the lubricant evenly distributed in the desired amount and if you can do that you are ahead of the game.

It amazed me that so many good folks concentrate on the Dry Patch System which is mere a logical procedure. The main secret of accuracy is in patch selection. The lube is a help but it ain't the big secret.

Tahanks for the tip.

Dutch Schoultz

 

[ohio ramrod]

The old time name for olive oil was "sweet oil" simply because olive oil does not go rancid like animal fats did.Also sperm whale oil does not go rancid. I still have a few ounces left from the middle sixties when it was legal and the prefered lube. :idunno:

 

[Tinker2]

I just got today my second copy of your system (mailing #4065)
Lost the first one in a flood along with everything else

Your system is more than worthy of my replacing it

Thanks :hatsoff:


William Alexander

 

[Dr5x]

RonRC,
Work on just one rifle till you are satisfied. Each subsequent rifle will be easier.
I had a subscriber some years ago who wandered around rifle ranges and quickly worked out the problems people were having. All he used was his micrometer and a bunch of different fabrics of varying sizes.

I lent him a number of books just before he moved to Arkansas and died.

Write down what your experiments are so you don't get yourself confused.

Dutch