The Dutch Shoultz Shooting System is awesome

[azmntman]

RonRC,
Work on just one rifle till you are satisfied. Each subsequent rifle will be easier.
I had a subscriber some years ago who wandered around rifle ranges and quickly worked out the problems people were having. All he used was his micrometer and a bunch of different fabrics of varying sizes.

I lent him a number of books just before he moved to Arkansas and died.

Write down what your experiments are so you don't get yourself confused.

Dutch

I plan on that very thing. will choose the most accurate (or two) of each caliber and cull the rest.

 

[Dr5x]

Azmntman (?)
Unless there is something wrong with their barrels I bet all your rifles can be equally accurate.
It takes a little time to learn what each rifle likes. It gets easier as you work on each succeeding rifle.
I've seen some miraculous results with wretched loking rifles. Just make certain the barrel is smooth and has no internal bulges.

Dutch

 

[FrontierMuzzleloading]

Did you swab between shots?

 

[Jim C]

Always. i have found that with using the dry lube system it is a must.......

Something is wrong with Photobucket. It will not transfer photos to this site. Very frustrating. I will try again later.

 

[FrontierMuzzleloading]

oh I know it. My avatar was gone until I reuploaded it from photobucket. My other pics are giving me fits on other forums as well. Its a photobucket issue. :youcrazy:

 

[Jim C]

I've never liked having to use photobucket, it's too complicated for my simple mind. :cursing:

Anyway.....I've got my .40 cal shooting one hole 5 shot groups at 50 yrds from the bench. Wish I could show it, but it is what it is.

 

[Jim C]

Geeze, I finally got it!
First one top left will be my next season squirrel getter.

 

[azmntman]

Azmntman (?)
Unless there is something wrong with their barrels I bet all your rifles can be equally accurate.
It takes a little time to learn what each rifle likes. It gets easier as you work on each succeeding rifle.
I've seen some miraculous results with wretched loking rifles. Just make certain the barrel is smooth and has no internal bulges.

Dutch

well I have a traditions .36 that just has me boogered. I bet I have never got better than 5-6" gropus at 50 yds. Last time out (ovr a year ago) I dd 6" at 35, but it up and shot my revolver and did fantastic. Im gonna scrub the heck outta it, take 3f goex, black mz, triple 7 and pyrodex with 5 charges of each at 30-35-40-45-50 and 55 grains premeasured, a table. sand bags and a few pepsi's and see what happens. Will use 1-5 thru 1-8 dry patchs and if I cant get it shooting I will soon a .40 hoyt barrel that says traditions .36 on it. NEVER had a gun give me such head aches. AND I LIKE IT! Wish it was ugly, I'd just sell it.

 

[Jim C]

Twas the strangest thing I ever seen with this one of mine. When I first started shooting it as I tried different loads it kept getting better till I almost got a one hole group, about maybe a one inch or so group.
After that when I went back to the range the next time and the next few times after that, I couldn't hit squat with it. I was almost ready to give it up, but when I went back this last time, as you can see, I simply couldn't shoot a bad group with it if I deliberately tried to.
It shot good to very good groups with every load I tried in it. I hope it stays that way. It still befuddles me though and probably always will.

 

[pinemarten]

I am very interested in the system that Dutch has available. My only hold up on it is that I am really hoping to use my bear oil I make from rendering it. I like using stuff I hunt or whatever (I tan my hides, etc). Does allow for development of accuracy with bear oil that I'd prefer using for hunting (especially cold weather)? Is it worth the switch to Ballistol? Can I have my cake and eat it too?

Daniel

 

[silly goose]

For what it's worth... I too got excellent results with the system. But for hunting, I leave my rifle loaded until I have fur in the sights, may be a few weeks. I found traces of rust on the patch of a pulled ball. I only use grease for hunting loads now.

 

[Grenadier1758]

Sure, you can use Dutch's system with bear oil lube replacing the dry lubed patches. The system is a procedure that, if followed, will help you develope the most accurate load combination for your rifle.

 

[Billnpatti]

What is this system?

www.blackpowderrifleaccuracy.com :thumbsup:

Do exactly what Dutch tells you in his system and it will be the best $20 you will ever spend on the hobby.

 

[Billnpatti]

I am very interested in the system that Dutch has available. My only hold up on it is that I am really hoping to use my bear oil I make from rendering it. I like using stuff I hunt or whatever (I tan my hides, etc). Does allow for development of accuracy with bear oil that I'd prefer using for hunting (especially cold weather)? Is it worth the switch to Ballistol? Can I have my cake and eat it too? Daniel

The secret is not so much which lube you use, within reason, it is how much lube you use on your patches and the consistency in which it is applied that is the secret. The reason that I said "within reason" is that lubricity of a lube is important. It is quite possible for a lube to be too slick to give good accuracy. That is why spit is such a good lube when shooting targets. All of this is explained in Dutch's system. Buy it, follow it carefully and you will be amazed at how accurately your muzzleloader can shoot.

 

[Cowboy]

I am very interested in the system that Dutch has available. My only hold up on it is that I am really hoping to use my bear oil I make from rendering it. I like using stuff I hunt or whatever (I tan my hides, etc). Does allow for development of accuracy with bear oil that I'd prefer using for hunting (especially cold weather)? Is it worth the switch to Ballistol? Can I have my cake and eat it too? Daniel

The secret is not so much which lube you use, within reason, it is how much lube you use on your patches and the consistency in which it is applied that is the secret. The reason that I said "within reason" is that lubricity of a lube is important. It is quite possible for a lube to be too slick to give good accuracy. That is why spit is such a good lube when shooting targets. All of this is explained in Dutch's system. Buy it, follow it carefully and you will be amazed at how accurately your muzzleloader can shoot.

I also use Dutch's system. I definitely have noticed a difference in my accuracy. There were a couple of things that I was unclear about and talked with him on the phone a couple of times. He is a very nice man who is eager to help in any way he can. His system will make you a better shooter. At least it did for me! Respectfully, cowboys :thumbsup:

 

[Jim C]

For what it's worth... I too got excellent results with the system. But for hunting, I leave my rifle loaded until I have fur in the sights, may be a few weeks. I found traces of rust on the patch of a pulled ball. I only use grease for hunting loads now.

Hmmmm, I can't imagine why a dry patch lube like what's used in the "system" would cause rust to form because of the patch, or at the patch where it makes contact w/ the bore.
Nevertheless, as far as hunting is concerned, I am also about to start the process of testing for a hunting load that utilizes a greased patch simply because that in my experience with using the dry patch lube system the bore must be wiped between shots to achieve effortless reloading.
This, imo, is just not satisfactory in a hunting situation. Even with a slick shiny bore, after the first shot, the second shot is just too difficult to load. A third shot, in my rifles even with pristine bores? Forget about it. But, for plinking/target/competition shooting Dutch's dry lube system simply cannot be beat......unless of course you don't mind the extra effort of wiping between shots while hunting.

 

[silly goose]

The explanation I was given is that ballistol being water soluble may have retained or absorbed humidity or moisture from air. It kind of made sense the way it was explained. I'm just relaying my experience in that setting, find what works for you.