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I own one, ca. 1570 or so and I am finding that references are few and far between. I had heard of a book by Mancuso supposedly called "European Fortress and Wall Guns". I cannot find it anywhere, not even a mention of it.

Does anyone know of any references or of this book?

Thanks.
 
Howdy, and welcome to the forum!

Maybe if you could give us an explanation/description of what type of gun it is, perhaps the one you own, we might be able to help a bit. I've never heard that term before. From your post, it sounds like you're referring to some sort of cannon...?
 
Where's Squire Robins when you need him.....

SP

Me :: 1570 is good Queen Bess, nearly twice the age of my wall gun which is from a well documented period, I've never heard of this book :(
 
Rex,
Take a look at post"5 ounces over 275 gns" at the photo section. Isnt that wallgun from Squire Robin something! :: :imo:.In Sweden they are named "vallgev
 
Oopsie,
While struggling with an answer you had already made a reply Robin. Is it right that your wallgun is intended for aquatic bird hunting? :: :thumbsup:ARILAR
 
For pirates and monsters when you adventured to foreign seas ::

I think it was probably used on a tall ship out on the spice routes. Made around 1790 it could have been for the Africa trade because we didn't end our involvement until 1807.
 
This object has the following stats: 64" Barrel 68" Overall 1.0625" Bore 31.5 lbs 225 grain charge. I calculated the charge on an equal volume basis for the projectile. Needless to say, this thing is not fireable, at least, I will leave that to the next owner. :haha:

It was stocked (it has the doohickies for pinning the stock at the bottom of the barrel) and was matchlock ignition. It might have heen affixed to a wall with a swivel or used on the ground with a tripod arrangement.


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Looking good, but could you resize the pictures
so the text doesn't go off the end of the screen?

One of the touch/pan and tang would be nice ::
 
I should also say that it was obtained from a castle in Italy. It has a coat of arms near the breech end but it is not readily identifiable (I chatted with the good folks at the College of Heralds in the UK).

I am reasonably good at researching stuff but I have hit a wall (HA!) on this one. To find information on the object or references I have spoken to or otherwise communicated with the Met, the Wallace, the Royal Armouries, Robert Held, Ian Eaves, the NRA Museum, Flayderman, etc, etc. Zero, zip, bupkus.

There are a lot of examples of these things (Turin has a few and they were helpful..well, sorta) but there seems to be very little written. Even Held in his book "The Age of Firearms" tosses them off in a couple of paragraphs. Carpagna, in his opus "Bresican Firearms" barely makes a mention of them though I suspect that it was indeed made in Bresica.

I guess it is because they are sort of odd: Midway between cannon and hand held firearms.

The Director of the NRA museum put me onto the Mancuso book. He swore he saw it for sale at the Baltimore show. I spoke to the secretary of the Baltimore Gun Collectors Association and he actually looked at the list of exhibitors going back 5 years. No Mancuso, no Wall Gun exhibit. I called the NRA guy back and he swore he was right (and says his buddy was with him and remembers the same thing). I had fully 3 people at the latest show looking for spoor. Nada.

Flayderman, who is Godlike in his knowlege of everything about weapons and people knew nothing.

Incidentially, before you guys go crazy, the name "Mancuso" will seem familiar, right? It was to me too, and Flayderman and a half dozen other people. Know why? That was the name of the American Skipper in "Hunt for Red October".

Arrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Perhaps you can now understand my frustration.
 
You want tangs? I got tangs.

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Touchholes too. The block is, sadly, missing.

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Note the missing rear sight block. I am thinking of fabricating a replacement.
 
Don't confuse "wall guns" with "punt guns"...these were large cal., 4 ga or greater, that were mounted on the front of a punt, a kind of pirogue, and used to sneak up on, and wipe out, a flock of ducks for the comm'l market back in the 1800's. I haven't anything to add about "wall guns", but the late Jac Weller had a collection of what he called "wagon guns"...these resembled the punt guns, right down to oarlocks...Jac's were flinters, and he said they were mounted, a number of them, on the side of a wagon, and used as a small unit support weapon...crew served, one shooting, a couple loading. I've seen the ball projectile of one...looked like a swollen golf ball...about half again as big as a golf ball, same kind of dimples... I'm guessing the 'wagon' guns were descendents of the wall guns. Weren't there also some kind of similar gun mounted on the bows of sailing ships? Hank
 
Here's my 1645 breech with groove for a flashguard. Sight and pan are similar.

Maybe you have the elusive arquebus??? :shocking:
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Mine is English Civil War and rather plain and boring in comparison, yours is altogether more interesting.

Tip: Don't pull the breech plug, the iron is forged after it is inserted and it will never go quite back to how it was ::
 
Hank,
I just handed over to a friend a "reling-pistol" (rail-pistol) made for Swedish navy 1845 (von Sydow-patent). Barrel 72 cm long (total length 104 cm), caliber 41 mm and weight 24 kg, goes with a pivot. It actually has a pistolgrip!
ARILAR :: :thumbsup:
 
arilar, I've never seen a "rail pistol" but it doesn't surprise me...probably was pretty effective if you were being boarded....I'm glad to see your posts...my wife's father was born in Gotland, and we've visited there...given the connection, we are pretty fond of Sweden, things Swedish, and Swedes...Hank
 
Hank,
Thanks for your friendly words. Gotland, The "Rose garden" of Sweden. A lovely place to visit. A lot of old history. You probably knows about the big battle outside Visby, Korsbetningen that took place 1361. A book (actually two) in english by Bengt Thordeman named "Armour from the battle of Visby 1361" tells all about it and the interesting findings when excavations took place in 1928-30.
ARILAR :: :thumbsup:
 
I have a museum catalogue from Berne I think that has some 1570's wall guns in it...will look for it when I get home
 
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