i just got back from the woods. i killed another one with the 40 SMR, sorry Jim it ain't a Kibler LOL but i have killed several with your great rifles. this deer came out the same spot as the last one i killed 2 Fridays ago. 80yd shot again. it was just cracking daylight; i could barely see good enough to shoot. 62gr. of 3f goex and a round ball hit in the right spot is all it takes, dropped like a sack of potato's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,