Woodsrunner CNC Incised Carving

[shaman]

I would like y'all's opinions on the new option on Kibler's Woodsrunner, the fully CNC Incised carving.
Has anyone bought it? What do you think?

 

[reddogge]

There are dozens of examples on here and also the Kibler website. I do not like the incised carving but prefer less carving and more relief carving. If I were to buy a kit I'd buy no carving and do my own.

 

[Rocketman89408]

I would like y'all's opinions on the new option on Kibler's Woodsrunner, the fully CNC Incised carving.
Has anyone bought it? What do you think?

I bought the fully carved. I like the engraving but if I were to do over I would skip.

 

[PathfinderNC]

It looks like machine carving. If that’s ok with you, go for it.

 

[Buff1958]

I bought the fully carved. I like the engraving but if I were to do over I would skip.

I am in the same boat. I wish I had spent my money on a prettier piece of wood rather than a carved stock.

 

[Cayman like]

I am in the same boat. I wish I had spent my money on a prettier piece of wood rather than a carved stock.

With that style of rifle I think they look better with no or very little carving and a plain maple stock but of course each to their own.

 

[Rocketman89408]

With that style of rifle I think they look better with no or very little carving and a plain maple stock but of course each to their own.

I agree 100%. I loved building the rifle and it shoot's perfect and is very accurate. But less carving would be nice. My friend bought the same rifle with no carving and carving on his would distract from the wood pattern.

 

[TDM]

I agree with all the above responses. I jumped on the carved Woodsrunner as soon as it was available. Was already working on one that I was afraid to carve. I’m ok with the carved stock, but would definitely not do it again.

 

[James Kibler]

It looks like machine carving. If that’s ok with you, go for it.

Well I’ve learned there is no accounting for taste.

I would argue it looks very much like high quality incised work. Have you studied original work much?

 

[Capt. Jas.]

It looks like machine carving. If that’s ok with you, go for it.

Im familiar with his work up close and from every picture i see on thr net It looks to me exactly like Jim Kibler carved it by hand.

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Well I’ve learned there is no accounting for taste.

I would argue it looks very much like high quality incised work. Have you studied original work much?

I didn't see your post til after I had posted : )

 

[PathfinderNC]

Sorry but there’s just no comparison between the two; Jim’s hand work is incredible and his works are masterpieces in every way. I would never try to equate any CNC carving with one by his hand.
If that’s poor taste so be it.

 

[PathfinderNC]

Im familiar with his work up close and from every picture i see on thr net It looks to me exactly like Jim Kibler carved it by hand.

You see no difference between a production piece and an individually created work of art?

 

[deerstalkert]

I admire the incised carving on the Kiblers. personally i like relief carving and wish someone would create transfer patterns that one could use to outline. being i couldn't draw a decent stick figure, i would find that invaluable. i can carve if it is drawn out for me, but i am beyond challenged to do it myself.

 

[Capt. Jas.]

You see no difference between a production piece and an individually created work of art?

Looking at it on a screen, without having it in hand and examining for whether it has machining tool marks or chisel trail I can quickly recognize that work to be Jim's.

 

[PathfinderNC]

Im familiar with his work up close and from every picture i see on thr net It looks to me exactly like Jim Kibler carved it by hand.

Really?
Ok here’s the test: Which stock did Jim Kibler carve by hand?
Look closely now

 

[billraby]

I admire the incised carving on the Kiblers. personally i like relief carving and wish someone would create transfer patterns that one could use to outline. being i couldn't draw a decent stick figure, i would find that invaluable. i can carve if it is drawn out for me, but i am beyond challenged to do it myself.

Same here. So I started practicing. All you need is a pencil and paper. You get the hang of it after a little while. I can even do decent engraving designs now.

 

[Mulemauler]

Not a fan. Some things a machine just can't replace a human on.

 

[Rebel bull]

I believe that it's a up price to a already spendy cookie cutter kit, now before the hate mail starts yes Jim makes a fine built Kit in a given style just like all other kit manufacturers. his just have tighter tolerances that require less skill to assemble. he also is in a nitch that other manufactures haven't chose to produce, just like he has chosen not to get into the percussion era rifles ie: what ever hawken-esk variation you might want

 

[James Kibler]

You guys should do better to educate yourself. Study original work. When comparing the carving you are comparing apples and oranges. Relief carving is a complete different animal from incised carving.

You don't of course have to like this or our kits in general, but I do appreciate well informed opinions.

As to kits being "cookie cutter" you are right in some ways. They are very much the same. But... There are big benefits from this. You get a gun that is better than probably 99% of any custom gun made. Better in terms of historical correctness, design, style, aesthetics, precision, functionality etc. This at a price that is just a bit above the price of parts if bought individually. Plus someone who doesn't have skills to make a gun from a blank can be part of the project and it can be part of themselves. They rightfully feel proud and enjoy the process.

It's interesting that most who are well informed and respected in this community, understand this and don't tend to make these simple narrow minded assessments. There is a place for all approaches...