Freedom said:
Thanks for the concern Paul, I figured it would be you..lol... but you are way off-base comparing Bullseye to 4f :bull: Not even close.. I never expected this much exaggeration
And threatning to shoot me over it...REAL Mature
The difference between 3f and 4f in my 58 is 180fps... pryrodex raises the velocity over 250fps....and that new 777 stuff is even more pressure.
Please don't accuse me of Bragging. I was asked a simple question and I answered. I have no intentions of Hot-Rodding my old front stuffer... there is absolutly no point at all. There is enough big modern handguns in my safe. I just worked up the most accurate load I could that provided the power I needed/wanted for big game hunting.
I have worked closely, and even shot with the ballistics tec from western powders... I am not just going blindly into this, and I have done the research.
Doubt I'll ever get the chance to shoot next to you cause while I'm out shooting, you will be in here posting another Looong winded reply... :hatsoff:
I applaud you for your research and information as it is fact based, includes personal hands on experience, uses a careful measured approach, including comparisons to other powders, etc. That's the difference between 'knowledge' and 'armchair theory'.
Of course caution should always be employed with any potentially dangerous undertaking...ie: look both ways before crossing the road...but you CAN cross the road. However, when we don't "know", there's a tendency to take anything that's said over the years about 4F and the words 'bore of a ML' used in the same sentence as an automatic death sentence.
Then as its often repeated its further embellished with additional layers of fright, accompanied by implications of stupidity aimed at anyone who would even harbor such a thought...often times to impress the reader that the poster really has an inside track on real knowledge...when in reality, the poster rarely has a clue from actual hands on experience, only repeating / embellishing what they've plagurized from other posts and forums, regurgitating it as if its their own experience.
A few years ago, like you, I did some similar work at the range with a left over can of 4F and PRBs. Study and research followed by actual hands on experience conducting measured controlled tests. I started at only 10grns in a large bore volume to minimize pressures, in a big strong 1" octagon barrel, and stepped slowly and cautiously up the scale...got to 60grns before I even began noticing obvious recoil.
NOTE 1:
And a pretty common frame of reference using 4F that many have probably done without even thinking about it, is this...I use a little 3grn pan primer for my Flintlocks...and to bloop out dry balls over the years, my routine was to spin out the liner, catch the mouth of the 3grn plunger dispenser tip on the threads of the liner seat, and depress 10 shots of 4F into the breech...that's 30grns 4F right there and the ball would just barely bloop out softly...so to cautiously slowly step up to 40/50/60grns the way I did in a large volume bore was not an issue at all. And again, being cautious, not knowing if the pressure curve would remain linear, I stopped at 60grns and ended my tests. Results were excellent by the way...very fast, clean, consistent, accurate.
NOTE 2:
Since I am not a certified expert, possess no specialized testing equipment, and have no control over anyone else's equipment or caution, I of course will not recommend that anyone do what I did...just sharing another pretty thorough hands on test experience for some balance...both to the subject of 4F, and to rehetoric offered with no basis in fact.
