Nice rifles !
It's been my & many old timers experience that old hand forged barrels are stress free & after
being relined tend to shoot much tighter groups than any new barrel.
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It's been my & many old timers experience that old hand forged barrels are stress free & after
being relined tend to shoot much tighter groups than any new barrel.
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Morena Mr Foley. Here's the Mold.
I Think? A Pritchett mold.
Makes a real good paper patch .577
Ma Te Wa
Chris
Chris - if you ever get around to making a few bullets, I'd appreciate 'em!
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Hi Spax. I own and shoot the same two guns. Although my Snider is an Artillery model, and my RB is full length rifle.
Back in the mid-1960's I bought a RB carbine in 90% plus condition for $45.00. Shot it using original surplus black powder rounds from the 1880's that was still available. LOL
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Something different: An original Albanian Tanchika Musket for shooting. Barrel has a Hoyt liner.
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Wow. Never seen one of them. Thanks for pics
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Another Eastern gun: Original Algerian musket. Now with a Hoyt steel liner in the barrel for shooting.
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looks gooddd
I have no interest in owning a gun I can't shoot. I have original model Enfield 1853 and Springfield 1863 muskets, and 5th model Burnside and 1863 Sharps carbines. I shoot them regularly.
The name engraved to the right of the hammer is the lock maker, and the date the lock was made, and that is usually not the person who made the gun
the lock was originally a flintlock, and has been converted over to caplock
The logo to the left of the hammer is the logo for the {British} East India Company. Handling all the trade from India to the UK and back again. They had a standing army for a while, and are responsible for the the simplified and shortened "Third" version of the Brown Bess.
LD
Thank you Dave for the response.
I know some basics about the EIC, but I wonder if there is a record somewhere or a way to find out more details about where was the gun traded and used? I would really like to know more about what I have, I was searching the internet without luck.
Regards Robert
Well for starters, it was not traded to Nepal, as sooo many of the BEIC muskets were that one sees coming over to the USA now as surplus, because Nepal would engrave their own emblem between the cock and the pan. The conversion was very well done on your gun, also. Further a lot of the BEIC muskets had the BEIC logo removed from the lock as well as any British Royal markings when sold off. For example your musket was not one of the 90,000 sold to the Mexican government between 1824 and 1842. More than likely it was orginally a contract musket for the company, and remained in India with provincial BEIC Indian troops. It was then converted over to caplock when the Brits switched over to the Enfield rifle. This would explain the very nice conversion of the lock and barrel, and why the BEIC markings remain.
As to further records likely not. They probably were not serialized.
LD
Why don't you shoot them ?
Wow that is a great input, I am at least somewhat closer to its source.
Thank you
If I have restored it and it's still in my possession, I shoot it. I'm not sure of the dates of most but they are all old original's.
Fowler, with Ashmore lock.
1863 Zouave carbine
Trade gun no maker marks.
J Withers over/under rifle/smoothbore
Fowler, with Ashmore lock.
1863 Zouave carbine
Trade gun no maker marks.
J Withers over/under rifle/smoothbore
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The amount of speculation about your gun is interesting but not fully understood . Yes its an E I Coy 'Windus pattern' musket the term" third model 'is just a US notion " There is nothing' Ordnance' about that hammer & it is a mystery who put it to percussion perhaps some commercial order .lots being sold off to any one such as the New Zealand Company who bought lots of surplus muskets ( An Estimate of over three million of that pattern being made during the Napoleonic wars if not for just Ordnance & The E I Co) losses & wastage & supplying powers who also apposed Napoleon .such a Some Spanish & Portugues troops probably a breakdown Twix Ordnance ,Trade , (For Volunteers ect ) & the E I Coy who where a Commercial Army in effect . Some where bought from the E I Coy by Ordnance & can be found with a surcharge mark . The Company worked in with Ordnance to a degree but that basic shorter 39" barrel stemmed from the Company.s" Lawrences pattern" &" Coote's Pattern" then" Windus's pattern ' this last being adopted as a war time simplification .of supply .Your musket looks absolutely correct a 'sleeper' but the barrel & conversion are not Ordnance or Company as far as ime aware & going by the cock Ide guess continental work (Europe) trust that helps.
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Rudyard
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