Evil lead!

[Johnny Tremain]

Wheel weights make outstanding projectiles for unmentionables!

Ive been a state certified lead recycler since the 90s. I went around to all the scarp yards and they happily gave me all their wheel weights.
There is 100s of lbs of ingots here. Just doing my civic duty

 

[Britsmoothy]

Indeed really. I realize you think your making a point. But your actually just advocating nonsense. Lead poisoning is real. Third world countries even recognize this reality. And "good enough for the U.S. military" is not something anyone who has been in it would say.

Not nonsense but advocating sense!
Lead chemically changed becomes very dangerous. Solid lead handled with good sense is not so dangerous.
Got to see the bigger picture.
Like the wagon taking those turkeys to market for miles and miles and miles. Pumping all those diesel particulates, very bad for youngsters lungs and once in the bloodstream!!! But that is acceptable. So in nuclear energy. Brilliant source of energy. Ok so one blows up now and then and releases unfathomable amounts of radioactive isotopes causing unfathomable amounts of cancers but its OK, in the bigger picture.
But hey if we stop them lunes shooting lead out of their guns we will be the saviors of mankind! Really? From what I observe of man's dominating man to his injury I have zero confidence in anything I'm told by the experts. Sorry, your nonsense as you put it is actually very much sense to me! Maybe it's the lead or is it the mercury in my fillings? Can't be the fillings, that's acceptable!

 

[Cattywompuss]

Not nonsense but advocating sense!
Lead chemically changed becomes very dangerous. Solid lead handled with good sense is not so dangerous.
Got to see the bigger picture.
Like the wagon taking those turkeys to market for miles and miles and miles. Pumping all those diesel particulates, very bad for youngsters lungs and once in the bloodstream!!! But that is acceptable. So in nuclear energy. Brilliant source of energy. Ok so one blows up now and then and releases unfathomable amounts of radioactive isotopes causing unfathomable amounts of cancers but its OK, in the bigger picture.
But hey if we stop them lunes shooting lead out of their guns we will be the saviors of mankind! Really? From what I observe of man's dominating man to his injury I have zero confidence in anything I'm told by the experts. Sorry, your nonsense as you put it is actually very much sense to me! Maybe it's the lead or is it the mercury in my fillings? Can't be the fillings, that's acceptable!

Best of luck with that. Too young to have had a lead filling myself.

 

[tenngun]

A common misconception. Life expectancy at birth was around age 30 or 40 due to about 40% infant mortality. Conditional life expectancy for adults was age 70-80, not far off of today. There’s archaeological evidence of all that but consider an old book’s contribution:

Psalm 90:10
King James Version
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Go to a pre 1900 cemetery and look at the ages. Forties is pretty common. ‘Three score ten’ is pretty rare.,
Look up the bios of famous people you can think of, often these were higher class, and dead before 60.
I’m pretty lucky, I’m 64 and healthy, but how many people do you know that are on meds at forty. Meds they need to live and would die if they weren’t taking.
People did live to old age in the past but lots dead young.

 

[Flintlock]

That dang lead has been pretty darn dangerous to everything I've shot for years.

 

[Nameless Hunter]

Go to a pre 1900 cemetery and look at the ages. Forties is pretty common. ‘Three score ten’ is pretty rare.,
Look up the bios of famous people you can think of, often these were higher class, and dead before 60.
I’m pretty lucky, I’m 64 and healthy, but how many people do you know that are on meds at forty. Meds they need to live and would die if they weren’t taking.
People did live to old age in the past but lots dead young.

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Beyond anecdotal evidence of crusing cemeteries, a number of studies have shown that if you made it out of childhood in the 18th (and 17th century) odds are you could expect to make it to 70.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...ncient-people-live-life-span-versus-longevity

 

[Cattywompuss]

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Beyond anecdotal evidence of crusing cemeteries, a number of studies have shown that if you made it out of childhood in the 18th (and 17th century) odds are you could expect to make it to 70.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...ncient-people-live-life-span-versus-longevity

I would say there are certainly more stable periods of time historically, when one might expect a longer life. Those periods are punctuated by times of epidemic and pandemic. They are also punctuated by periods of serious warfare when certain demographics faired less well than others. And we are not really surveying all of humanity, but rather mostly western European/early American death rates.

Jared Diamon addresses this particular question a great deal and drew several conclusions. My own home town of Savannah suffered a plague of (very likely) pandemic influenza the year of Georgia's foundation. And then it suffered a couple of yellow fever outbreaks, and of course wars. The Colonial Cemetary is full of yellow fever victims. And it holds a signer of the Declaration who was killed in a duel by a man inhumed 50 yards away from his victim.

The U.S. average life span decreased 1.8 years in 2020. Changes happen, generalizations are pointless, and rules are made to be broken, unless they are broken by exceptions that prove said rules.

 

[Cattywompuss]

Go to a pre 1900 cemetery and look at the ages. Forties is pretty common. ‘Three score ten’ is pretty rare.,
Look up the bios of famous people you can think of, often these were higher class, and dead before 60.
I’m pretty lucky, I’m 64 and healthy, but how many people do you know that are on meds at forty. Meds they need to live and would die if they weren’t taking.
People did live to old age in the past but lots dead young.

Some of the "on meds in their forties" stuff is not a matter of our bodies being too frail to age to 100. It's heavily influenced by lifestyle, such as @Britsmoothy sucking on LRBs. Type 2 Diabetes was a rich man's illness 200 years ago. Now it is found in children of the poorest families. The extraordinary concentrations of non-nutritional "food" in the modern western diet, chemical exposure, et al has exacerbated the level of health risk in the modern human body. This is not to say that folks in the past lead healthy, ideal lives. Merely that this is not a case of "everyone has lived life on the same foot and we are doomed to early death without modern medicine". Such is partly the case, but not the full story.

 

[tenngun]

Some of the "on meds in their forties" stuff is not a matter of our bodies being too frail to age to 100. It's heavily influenced by lifestyle, such as @Britsmoothy sucking on LRBs. Type 2 Diabetes was a rich man's illness 200 years ago. Now it is found in children of the poorest families. The extraordinary concentrations of non-nutritional "food" in the modern western diet, chemical exposure, et al has exacerbated the level of health risk in the modern human body. This is not to say that folks in the past lead healthy, ideal lives. Merely that this is not a case of "everyone has lived life on the same foot and we are doomed to early death without modern medicine". Such is partly the case, but not the full story.

Desmond Morris addressed that in his book Human Zoo.
Wild animals have a life span, zoo animals have about twice that wild life span. They are cared for in zoos.
Few pre Neolithic remains are found of people over forty, but with Ned care eighty is easily obtainable, we live in a human zoo. Look at the life spans of our founding fathers, we had some long lifers but mostly not. Look at the kings of England how many reached the age of Elizabeth? Queen of England not the UK.
Check famous writers , or military heroes. The story is the same.
While high infant mortality brought numbers low surviving past fifty was rare

 

[tenngun]

Oh really?
https://www.epa.gov/radtown/depleted-uranium

Uranium that’s not radioactive is called lead
All our lead used to be hot uranium.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Uranium that’s not radioactive is called lead
All our lead used to be hot uranium.

Different atomic weights friend.
I'm not sure but you might need a few million years before lead emerges from uranium.

 

[Colonial Boy]

About 60 years ago in Bathurst NSW, an old bloke died and it was due to lead poisoning, seems that he had made a habit of cadging the first beer of the day from local pubs; due to the staleness of beer that had been left in the pipes overnight the first pulls were thrown away.
The pipes in those days were lead so he was drinking a bit of absorbed lead every morning.
Apparently it took years to kill him.

 

[tenngun]

Different atomic weights friend.
I'm not sure but you might need a few million years before lead emerges from uranium.

Half life of about four billion years. But the lead your throwing thro Thumper used to be uranium

 

[RonRC]

Uranium 238 decays via alpha and beta radiation into lead 206 in 4.5 billion years, as TennGun says. However, Uranium 235 decays into lead 207 in 704 million years. So, if you plan to wait around to see if these numbers are accurate, I recommend waiting only 700 million years looking for lead 207.

 

[bore_butter]

we lived in a house from 52 to 57 with lead water pipes. i'll be 75 next month and can still count using my fingers and toes fairly easily.
i worry more about asbestos than lead.

 

[Daveboone]

Go to a pre 1900 cemetery and look at the ages. Forties is pretty common. ‘Three score ten’ is pretty rare.,
Look up the bios of famous people you can think of, often these were higher class, and dead before 60.
I’m pretty lucky, I’m 64 and healthy, but how many people do you know that are on meds at forty. Meds they need to live and would die if they weren’t taking.
People did live to old age in the past but lots dead young.

And what isnt seen, are the graves of all the folks who couldnt afford a gravestone...which was quite an extravagent expense then and for many now. In our neck of the woods, wooden markers were much more common than stone, and of course rot away. That accounts for alot of the spaces between the stone markers., not to mention the countless family plots on the subsistence farms. I have several histories of local towns settled in the early 1800s hereabouts. News stories were almost entirely of the demise of locals, very few of old age. Horse, wagon accidents, drownings, farming accidents were near daily occurences, logging, freezing to death. Suicide was probably more common even then due to lack of formal support systems. In one villlage I read three accounts which mentioned suicide notes, where the deceased simply stated that life was just too hard. I am a firm believer that there was no "good old days".

 

[Whitworth]

Lead paint, lead pipes, leaded gasoline, lead bullets, lead toys and soldered cans were common when I grew up. How I'm still alive and coherent should astound science science science science science.................What are we talking about again?

 

[Britsmoothy]

All our homes have lead pipes. In fact I'd go as far as to say the majority of homes in UK are via a lead pipe somewhere in or to the property!

 

[Okie Hog]

Yep, toothpaste tubes were also lead. They were re-cycled during WWII.

 

[bore_butter]

Yep, toothpaste tubes were also lead. They were re-cycled during WWII.

yeah but those lead tooth paste tubes stayed rolled up for ya.