For anyone considering an Indian manufactured Flintlock

[FlinterNick]

Yeah but that’s user error, not the gun.
I changed my tire, didn’t get the lug nuts tight, wheel fell off…. Damn them fords

I agree to a point, the owner of the gun has not idea how the musket is breeched (long short deep or shallow), some indian muskets are actually not even threaded for removal, some are welded. Most people will drop the rammer down the barrel and measure with a pice of tape and then mark the vent where the rod is taped off, this is very haphazard way of venting a gun, and this almost always ends up not being over the pan.

most Indian I’ve seen guns are over breeched, meaning the breech plug is covering much of the pan. The breech plug needs to be removed to properly vent the gun, and the plug needs to often be grooved at the face.

Again, the owner of the gun would not know this and most people don’t have the tools to unbreech a barrel and properly drill a vent hole,and many gunsmiths will not touch it.

 

[Surfinator58]

17 pages and no resolution, like a dog chasing its tail
our version of Ecclesiastes
much typing and less understanding
each thinking that the more words posted is more intelligence to overwhelm their equally stubborn rival. The other disdaining this torrent of print as a sailor wipes off the ocean spray on the way into home port.
facts are denied and fiction is embraced.
old myths retold as scientific facts and scientific facts spoken of as if heavenly inspired stone writ

see y'all in another thread, I'm out

PS.
BTW. my next post about Indian smooth bores will be a range report.
Until then.

Well said!

 

[FlinterNick]

Well said!

And you know what, someone will post a page on here about indian made arms vs. american and Italian made arms, the cat needs nip.

 

[Rock Home Isle]

Yeah but that’s user error, not the gun.
I changed my tire, didn’t get the lug nuts tight, wheel fell off…. Damn them fords

Nailed it.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

This thread is like a serial movie, they never conclude anything, you must keep watching the sequels hoping for a proper ending, but it never comes. LOL

OAK ISLAND.....I think they make Muskets there...

 

[Stantheman86]

I have two Indian made percussion Enfield type muskets. I even made a YouTube video of me shooting one.

They're perfectly fine and for half the price of a Pedersoli , they aren't as finely finished but they are completely shootable.

Again, there are many gunmakers in India.

One reenactor blew up an Indian Lorenz years ago , most likely from never cleaning the thing and now they are "all junk" and someone always Googles this particular story.

If you want an Italian repro, you pay $1500

If you want one of those American made , hand fitted Brown Besses it's $3000+

If you want an Indian musket, you pay $5-700

It's straight economics

Like people who drive a Land Rover wondering why people buy a Hyundai

 

[user 48702]

I'm up for an Indian gun built by a member of one of the Civilized Tribes, preferably Cherokee or Choctaw. There are plenty of Creeks in the area, but they're too busy building and running casinos.

 

[deerstalkert]

I'm up for an Indian gun built by a member of one of the Civilized Tribes, preferably Cherokee or Choctaw. There are plenty of Creeks in the area, but they're too busy building and running casinos.

how about an Ojibwa?

 

[user 48702]

I wouldn't be opposed at all; however, I would prefer someone here in Southern Appalachia. I'm going to do some searching at the next Alabama Kentucky Rifle Show in January. I looked at some nice rifles at the last show, but several of the builders were away from their tables. We have some Choctaw ancestry on my mother's side of the family and my Great Great Uncle Willis Burns worked for the Confederacy as head Baptist Missionary for the Oklahoma Indian Territory during the Great War, and one of his daughters married a Cherokee.

 

[FlinterNick]

I have two Indian made percussion Enfield type muskets. I even made a YouTube video of me shooting one.

They're perfectly fine and for half the price of a Pedersoli , they aren't as finely finished but they are completely shootable.

Again, there are many gunmakers in India.

One reenactor blew up an Indian Lorenz years ago , most likely from never cleaning the thing and now they are "all junk" and someone always Googles this particular story.

If you want an Italian repro, you pay $1500

If you want one of those American made , hand fitted Brown Besses it's $3000+

If you want an Indian musket, you pay $5-700

It's straight economics

Like people who drive a Land Rover wondering why people buy a Hyundai

Agree, I’d add a line for used muskets.

You can get used Pedersoli’s, Miroku’s and Rifle Shoppe guns for 700-1000 and even custom guns under 1500. Last week a Navy Arms Charleville sold for 700 at Rock Island Auction.

 

[Snake Pleskin]

I do think making latrines in camp was well known for some time. Even the Greeks found that Apollo was less likely to send a plague if they had latrines, Rome was very concerned with them their camps and I’m pretty sure a soldier in British or American armies learned there value pretty quick. As camp punishment was a mite unpleasant

Do you think re enactors are doing that, or are we using Porta Potty's?

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Do you think re enactors are doing that, or are we using Porta Potty's?

I won't use a Porta-Potti unless it's made in India and proofed in Birmingham. Can't be too careful

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

After reading every post (my eyes really hurt), I have concluded the following: Negatives: These guns are heavy, they are clearly not authentic, materials are uncertain, workmanship is often shoddy and they are heavy. Positives: they are cheap and they probably won't hurt you.

 

[Snake Pleskin]

After reading every post (my eyes really hurt), I have concluded the following: Negatives: These guns are heavy, they are clearly not authentic, materials are uncertain, workmanship is often shoddy and they are heavy. Positives: they are cheap and they probably won't hurt you.

that's as good a summary as any! IMHO

 

[Rock Home Isle]

After reading every post (my eyes really hurt), I have concluded the following: Negatives: These guns are heavy, they are clearly not authentic, materials are uncertain, workmanship is often shoddy and they are heavy. Positives: they are cheap and they probably won't hurt you.

I loved this…

 

[wganz]

@Banjoman your gun looks well loved. I swear, every time you post images of this gun, I fall for it again & again.

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Here’s my 11gauge India made smoothbore. It was very inexpensive. I bought it to use as a loaner. But it’s just too nice…so still loooking for that loaner smoothbore. I’ve taken geese, with heavy goose loads…very responsive firearm.

When I got the gun, I had to replace the tang bolt…found a replacement at Ace Hardware. And I had to replace the nipple…got 3 of them from Track of the Wolf…shot the gun pretty heavily for about 2 years, with no problems. Been looking for a second one…but have never come across another of these.

And of coarse it’s been on several dove hunts, quail & pheasant hunts. I haven’t shot it in the last 10 years, as I’m pretty much a flinter these days…but still a very nice gune.

Got a lead on this:

service loyalistarms.ca ([email protected])
To:you Details
Hello, thanks for your email.

The gun you have pictured is a British Civilian Sporting Shotgun.
We will check with our supplier and see if they know of anybody making these.

Hope this is helpful. Will be in touch .


B**** H******


Loyalist Arms & Repairs Ltd.
10 Brunt Rd. Harrietsfield.
Nova Scotia. Canada. B3V 1B1

So, we may have a source for these coming up

 

[Rock Home Isle]

Got a lead on this:

That is awesome news…so British Sporting Rifle…nice. Thank you.

 

[Stantheman86]

The prices went up on the Indian stuff

I had wanted a .75 Tower percussion musket but I think they want over $600 at Loyalist Arms for one.....its just not that cool, it's about $400 cool

I paid $500 for my Indian Enfield and that was probably a bit much but I'm happy with it. It shoots right to the sights and is accurate for a smoothbore . Plus I shoot easy to find .530 balls through it in paper cartridges, usually with whatever BP I have laying around

The .65 carbine I got from a member here for a fair price, I like it better then the .58 3-bander.

No way am I approaching the 7-800 mark for an Indian musket. I just bought a used Parker-Hale 3-bander for 1000.

 

[wganz]

The prices went up on the Indian stuff

The prices didn't go up. They're still worth the same. Just that the US Federal Reserve Note is now literally worthless.
It is worth less than it was due to massive increase of them in circulation. In 2 days, the Federal Reserve doubled the amount of them in circulation.
You're seeing the result of this now. Google "weimar republic inflation wheelbarrel" and select images. That is where we're going if this stupid isn't stopped.

 

[toot]

do the INDIAN gun makers only make smooth bore musket types, or do they also make rifled guns? as I have never seen any. just courious?