Pyrodex...will somebody please explain?

[necchi]

Ya, but if you noticed,,I didn't say anything about a powder good or bad.

Why not start one asking about the best patch lube? That hasn't been done for oh,,,at least a few hours or so now.

 

[CaptainKirk]

I started THIS one, John. Your turn! :wink:

 

[zukeeper1]

all I want to say is I've used pyro , triple 7 and black powder with great results. clean your barrels , they wont rust no matter which you use .
yes pyro has a higher flash point , its supposed to so I don't see how this can be a minus towards it , it performs just like it was designed to do
second is , wow , I got turned off of a member here in a big way and thats kind of sad but I've learned not to put much faith in people who see their opinion as the only truth and come up with childish names.

 

[Bill Hall]

There are those among us who can fully explain the TRUTH about the differences between the two types of powders, but generally speaking, life is an exercise in determining fact from prejudice, and this forum is no acception (and I consider myself to be one of the anti-pryo racists). :rotf: Bill

And here we are :rotf: :rotf:

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Ya, but if you noticed,,I didn't say anything about a powder good or bad.

Why not start one asking about the best patch lube? That hasn't been done for oh,,,at least a few hours or so now.

Mink Oil.


Your turn.

 

[necchi]

AAARRRGGGG!
That stuff don't work, the other stuff is better, :blah:
:haha:

 

[Pete Gaimari]

AAARRRGGGG!
That stuff don't work, the other stuff is better, :blah:
:haha:

The other stuff cause rust and misfires. :slap:

 

[CaptainKirk]

AAARRRGGGG!
That stuff don't work, the other stuff is better, :blah:
:haha:

The other stuff cause rust and misfires. :slap:

I get micro pitting from it. :shake:

 

[Josh Smith]

Beeswax & olive oil or unsalted animal fat

Josh

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Beeswax & olive oil or unsalted animal fat

Josh

Kind of bland without salt.

 

[JMinnerath]

Butter flavored Crisco. Mmm good.

 

[Herb]

Got one more snake to kill. A person wrote recently on this forum (I remember who but not where, so I can't quote him exactly) that Pyrodex was affected more by moisture than black powder, making it less trustworthy to hunt with. I quote Layne Simpson from Rifle Magazine, July-August 1980, "Hunting Loads for the.50 Muzzleloader": "Pyrodex can do anything black powder can do....and if its residue is not properly removed during cleaning, it rusts a rifle a tad slower but eventuallly to the same degree of ruination. From a hunters viewpoint, Pyrodex is less affected by damp weather. Less important, it leaves a minimum of fouling residue...The problem with black powder lies in the fact that its residue is much more hygroscopic than the residue left by Pyrodex, and with a little humidity, it quickly becomes a mass of gunk that can cause a misfire by clogging up the nipple orifice and drum after just one shot.

"A good example of this problem with black powder happened to me during a Tennessee hoghunt. We were hunting on a hot and humid day....(he shot and)...reloaded with FFG and didn't fire my rifle again until back in camp....I decided to fire the rifle to clean it for the next hunting session. After expending a dozen caps and almost wearing out a nipple pick, I removed the nipple, picked out the thick gumbo residue, dribbled a few grains of uncontaminatred powder into the drum and tried again. The rifle did produce smoke and noise and sent the projectile flying, but after all that effort, it still hangfired. I could go on and on about the trials and tribulations of hunting with black powder, but I've made my point. I have especially had ignition problems with black powder when hunting on rainy days even after my load-waterproofing efforts..."

The only time I hunted in the rain was on my last elk hunt with a .58 fullstock flint Hawken I built and Goex 2F, and while I had the pan goo problem, the rifle fired when I emptied it to clean, on two days. See the Hunting Journal forum here, "Flintlock Elk Hunts" by Herb, 10/12/09.

 

[Pete Gaimari]

You haven't made any point, but you have... :dead:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Pyrodex is to muzzleloading what tofurkey is to Thanksgiving.

 

[CaptainKirk]

Tofurkey might not taste so bad if you're starving to death.
When you can't get Holy Black, the alternatives are
a)Shoot substitutes
b)Don't shoot at all
:grin:

 

[Stumpkiller]

True 'nuff. I am thankful I live in a country where I have never had the necessity to switch from blackpowder. Have never burned a grain of a substitute of any kind or seen a need to. I was a little upset when I could no longer get DuPont, but Goex has been available in its place, if somewhat elusive locally. I feel sorry for the shooters in Alaska and Hawaii.

And no, I don't call it "holy black". Simply: "blackpowder". There is nothing religious about it. No more than there is anything religious about whiskey. If you just want to get ripping drunk, vodka or gin is a viable substitute. For others who appreciate its character it is worth the effort, expense or wait, as only whiskey will do.

At what point do you "sustitute" yourself out of a niche?

Synthetic for blackpowder?
Conicals for round balls?
Plastic sabots for cotton patches?
Adjustable for fixed?
Optics for iron sights?
Fiberglass for wood?
Percussion caps for flint?
209 primers for percussion caps?
Cartridges for loose components?
Wrapped meat for hunting?

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Good list except for caps.

Not many true Hawkens without caps.

 

[CaptainKirk]

1994...hunted all day Sunday in a steady drizzle using a balloon & rubber band over the muzzle and a rag wrapped around the lock, 90gr RS behind a 320gr REAL. No deer seen that day, and everything was thoroughly saturated at closing. I removed the balloon and discharged the rifle into a nearby tree, the hapless victim of a fruitless weekend of frustration. The gun fired just fine. Cleaned it later that evening, no rust evident.

 

[Pete Gaimari]

I do that all the time with BP and no rag. :blah:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Good list except for caps.

Not many true Hawkens without caps.

All the more reason to avoid them. :rotf:

Well then you have defined your "point of acceptance". Point is, other people's points may not point where your point is pointed? :v I might point out that a cap and ball revolver is not a muzzleloader - it loads at the cylinder. :wink:

Those matchlock guys look at us technogizzy flint and percussion guys with disdain; and the pole gun guys look at them and think an attached matchcord and trigger mechanism is not "traditional". :idunno:

We can agree to disagree without calling each other names and making personal shots, can't we?