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That rear sight is already way up high, but you'd need it to go even HIGHER to raise the impact ... given that your front sight is already filed low.

If it were mine ... I'd bend the barrel, twice, once for elevation and again to adjust for that windage issue. I'd also change out that rear sight for a more traditional one while at it.
I think someone has been messing with this rifle and there is no telling what has been done to it. Get a gun smith to take a look at it before you screw it up anymore! It could be an easy fix?
 
First I’d take that rear sight and put it somewhere you’d never find it again. Put the original sight back on and work on filing the front sight you have or buy one. We can’t help much without seeing the front sight. Start your powder load at the caliber 45 grains and work up. If you have a slow twist barrel you need more powder. 25 just isn’t enough for a 45.:doh:
 
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Something else is going on somewhere. If he’s shooting from sandbags there is no reason a rear sight like that is needed and it still shoots that low at 25 yards. Either his accuracy ability/skill is terrible, not enough powder or the barrel is warped.
 
lets see the sight set up. Thats an adjustable sight. If its backwards, you wont have much adjustment... So lets see the pics better and the direction they are installed.
 
First I’d take that rear sight and put it somewhere you’d never find it again. Put the original sight back on and work on filing the front sight you have or buy one. We can’t help much without seeing the front sight. Start your powder load at the caliber 45 grains and work up. If you have a slow twist barrel you need more powder. 25 just isn’t enough for a 45.:doh:
That rear sight is standing about 1-1/4" above center bore, and the rear sight is only about 1/3" above the center bore... do you not realize how extreme of an angle that creates with the bore (provided the bore is remotely centered, which it clearly isn't)? Going to a lower rear sight and no front sight (the way he's headed if he files it anymore) isn't going to solve that. OP also stated that the rifle is shooting great with the load he's using, so stabilization isn't an issue. There is something mechanically wrong with the barrel itself.

It might need shimmed and/or bedded at the muzzle, or the barrel may need bent slightly to put the end of the bore where it belongs; and it doesn't usually take much, a matter of a degree or two).

Anyway, get a new front sight, so you have some adjustment once you're done shimming and/or bending it. Rear sight? that's up to you, just make sure the front works with the rear as far as height is concerned.
 
From post #1:

"The front sight is filed down to just over 1/8”."
Sometimes, if you really want to help someone, you can't put full faith in his description of the problematic situation. It could be misperceived or misdescribed or misunderstood.
 
That rear sight is standing about 1-1/4" above center bore, and the rear sight is only about 1/3" above the center bore... do you not realize how extreme of an angle that creates with the bore (provided the bore is remotely centered, which it clearly isn't)? Going to a lower rear sight and no front sight (the way he's headed if he files it anymore) isn't going to solve that. OP also stated that the rifle is shooting great with the load he's using, so stabilization isn't an issue. There is something mechanically wrong with the barrel itself.

It might need shimmed and/or bedded at the muzzle, or the barrel may need bent slightly to put the end of the bore where it belongs; and it doesn't usually take much, a matter of a degree or two).

Anyway, get a new front sight, so you have some adjustment once you're done shimming and/or bending it. Rear sight? that's up to you, just make sure the front works with the rear as far as height is concerned.
Might be he’s doing all these sight adding and adjusting and shooting offhand instead from bench and bags. Who knows. I’ve never ran across something that had a bent barrel or needed that type of rear sight height and I have a military rifle collection spanning 250 years. Not enough info. Could be he’s a terrible shooter. With a flintlock I’m impressive from a bench. Offhanded I suck.
 
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Might be he’s doing all these sight adding and adjusting and shooting offhand instead from bench and bags. Who knows. I’ve never ran across something that had a bent barrel or needed that type of rear sight height and I have a military rifle collection spanning 250 years. Not enough info. Could be he’s a terrible shooter. With a flintlock I’m impressive from a bench. Offhanded I suck.
he also said he's shooting rested from a bench.... if he's a terrible shooter, why is he getting good groups? Did you even read the thread? "I had a normal / traditional sight on it to start with and it shot low. I had to put this ugly, tall sight on it to bring it up that 1.5'. I'm shooting on a solid rest from a bench. It's very accurate, putting the last three shots in the same jagged hole." (post #7)

How would you know if the barrel's been straightened? by eye? It's a tiny amount, so no. Not to mention modern military arms would have had the barrels profiled concentric to the bore on lathes. Many ML barrels out there are bored, roughly turned on a lathe (not necessarily centered on the bore) and then run on a mill to make the octagon. This means the bore often has runout compared to the OD of the barrel. That's not including any induced stresses from polishing or anything else.
Also, as a collector of military rifles spanning 250 years, you'll also know that many (particularly 1850's onward) were bedded/stocked with upward pressure on the barrel at the muzzles to get the impact up where it belonged and to help it shoot well. If you are getting good groups, and are barely on at 25 yards (not 250 yards, 25, as in 75 feet/4.5 rods) with that sight arrangement, there's an issue. It's not about "needing" that rear sight, he was trying to figure out how to get the impact up where it belonged (most likely, he was going to replace it with something else once a height was attained).
 
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Sometimes, if you really want to help someone, you can't put full faith in his description of the problematic situation. It could be misperceived or misdescribed or misunderstood.

When dealing with an issue i like to take the shooters word as written. IMO: This is statement is hard to misunderstand:

"I had a normal / traditional sight on it to start with and it shot low. I had to put this ugly, tall sight on it to bring it up that 1.5'. I'm shooting on a solid rest from a bench. It's very accurate, putting the last three shots in the same jagged hole. Brand new touch hole, 1/16".
Can I bend this barrel to correct it?"



Yep, rifle barrels, especially muzzleloader barrels, are sometimes bent or bored off center. The fix is to bend the barrel. Bending a barrel, like everything else related to muzzleloaders, does not approach rocket science in its complexity.

barrel straightening - Swiss Rifles dot com (tapatalk.com)

Somewhere in my junk scattered over three states is a barrel bending fixture that belonged to my muzzleloading mentor, an experienced black powder gunsmith.
 
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When dealing with an issue i like to take the shooters word as written.
Okay, and then if he's misperceived something and has faithfully reported to you his misperception, then you can only propose a solution to a situation that has been misdescribed to you, though not intentionally. I'm a little more cautious, particularly since I've made mistakes in characterizing or describing problems myself.
 
In my experience to be at least fair at 25 yards the rear sight height would be somewhere in .020-.040 higher than the front sight. But that is with a load in 45 cal and up of around 60 grains. Still think trying at least 60 grains may show the issue. 25 grains is pretty low. In a 32 or 36 maybe. In the 44/45 cal 25 grains is a pistol load. Was stated that the impact was raised by increasing the load. Load development.
If off center barrel bore is suspected I would put a laser in the bore and one on the top of the barrel and see if the distance between the dots remains constant from the muzzle out to 10-15 yards. If it doesn't then that's pretty good evidence that the bore is off. But first up the load and see what happens. Given the photo of the rear sight plus the front sight has been trimmed to 1/8 high then that is a fair assumption the barrel bore is off unless higher load works.
You could also put the barrel on a good flat surface and see if by chance the barrel is bent in the direction that would cause the problem.
I had one that never could be made to shoot and keep both sights on the barrel. Yep turned out the bore was off. It was bad enough I would not bend it. Think if I did the barrel would not fit in the stock. Made a smooth bore out of it and took bunches of Squirrels and rabbits with it with a bit of Kentucky windage.
 
Ah, so what I missed here is that this is the same rifle mentioned in woodsnwater's other thread What do I have here? That thread sure made the gun look like it had been rode hard and put up wet. And there's no telling what's wrong with it. I should have been paying more attention. I'm beginning to sense something like a case of Münchausen by proxy. 😂 But it's been fun.
 
I have to say that I'm really pretty puzzled at the speed with which people proceed to "I need to bend the barrel". If that's really true, it would seem to imply that a LOT of BP barrels either aren't straight or aren't bored correctly. And that's disturbing -- isn't it?
If the sights are in the middle of the barrel and it shoots as you indicated the bore may not be concentrically bored? I wouldn't even consider bending the barrel. If you can't solve your problem get rid of the rifle. You are already chasing your tail and it may get worse if you continue on the path you choose?
 
Ah, so what I missed here is that this is the same rifle mentioned in woodsnwater's other thread What do I have here? That thread sure made the gun look like it had been rode hard and put up wet. And there's no telling what's wrong with it. I should have been paying more attention. I'm beginning to sense something like a case of Münchausen by proxy. 😂 But it's been fun.

This is the same gun, but rode hard is far from the truth, it's beautiful and looks like it has barely been out of the safe since it was built, which I'm guessing was late 70's? (I guess now we know why it was put in the safe and forgotten) Like I stated in the first post It's an early pedersoli. They didn't even come with a touch hole liner back then, and who knows how good their quality control was. The facts are I own it, I like it and want to fix it if it can be fixed. If I can't then I'll just shoot it the way it is, ugly sight and all. Unless someone wants to donate a Kibler.
P.S. I had to look up Munchausen by proxy and it doesn't make sense to me how it relates to this gun.
 
This is the same gun, but rode hard is far from the truth,
This is perhaps a matter of interpretation, but in the five pages of comments in that thread, and the number of comments concerning alterations that had apparently been made to it in various ways, things that just don't look quite right with it, suggestions of things requiring repair before firing it (possibly requiring a milling machine), suggestions to take to a gunsmith, and your own report about first shooting it ... that goes in the direction of "rode hard and put up wet" for me. But opinions may vary on this, I suppose. I do wish you luck with it, but it does look like a real "project" involving some mystery.
 
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